Panther Paw Prints - Passing Game Blues Edition
I've got another spicy batch of Paw Prints today...
So now we've come full circle on the Panthers passing game. Just a few short weeks ago we begged the Panthers to stop throwing the ball in order to reduce the INT's QB Jake delhomme was chucking on a record pace. The Panthers seemed to oblige and it worked against lesser opponents. Yet when down late against one of the top team in the NFL the Panthers needed their passing game (or did they?) and it was a shell of its '08 self:
Refusal to air it out does Panthers no favors | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
Delhomme has been on the field the last two weeks in body only, because the game plans for those haven't reflected the spirit or the abilities he has brought to the position the last six years. And while it got the Panthers a win in Arizona, and nearly one in New Orleans, it has really gotten them nowhere fast. Save for about four throws, it's true what some say that Matt Moore, or A.J. Feeley, couldn't have done any worse. Because plans built to protect might suit some, but they run counter to what Delhomme has done his entire career.
I would say they did air it out a couple times but the Panthers WR's couldn't haul it in. Call it inexperience (in the case of Jarrett) or rustiness (in the case of Smith) but it was quite apparent there was no confidence in the passing game, except by OC Jeff Davidson. Darin Gantt offers a solution:
Darin Gantt's Panthers Blog | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
What they have to do is trust Delhomme to throw it downfield, trust Smith to make a play. And if you're not going to do that, then you have to wonder what the plan is.
Isn't this exactly what led to 13 INT's? I think this guy has it wrong too.
ProFootballWeekly.com - Panthers' collapse leads to more questions about Fox
It's understandable that Fox would be cautious about allowing QB Jake Delhomme — who still leads the league in interceptions with 13 despite not throwing one in his past two games — to throw the ball, but he took caution to a ridiculous extent, as Delhomme only attempted 12 passes in the first three quarters. The running game was having success vs. the Saints, but eventually it slowed down as the Saints didn't have to worry about the pass and focused on stopping Williams and Jonathan Stewart.
Maybe what was really missing against the Saints was sitting back in Charlotte:
Panthers felt Hoover's absence | The Dispatch | Davidson County's News Source | Lexington, NC
Not only was Hoover out but so was Chris Fiammetta, the reserve fullback and Hoover's eventual replacement. That meant 308-pound guard Mackenzy Bernadeau lined up as the fullback in the goal-line situation. When quarterback Jake Delhomme took the handoff on first and goal, Bernadeau bumped into him. Delhomme stumbled backward, bobbled the ball and was dropped for a 6-yard loss.
I still can't believe we lined up Bernadeau at FB and Sutton at tailback. Why not on 1st down put Williams in the single back set and hand it off to him and let him do his thing? Doesn't work, try the same with Stewart. In 3 tries one of those two will get that 3 yards.
Instead of sticking with what was working the Panthers went to the pass. So what are the Panthers going to do to improve the passing game?
Panthers notebook: passing game still a work in progress | progress, charlotte, work - Sports - The Star Online : The Newspaper of Cleveland County
Coach John Fox was asked again Monday what the Panthers need to do to improve in that area. "The same things we did a month ago to get better in our running game -- just continue to work at it, and do everything we can do get better," Fox said. "We had some big plays -- obviously not enough -- but we had some big run plays. We just weren't able to capitalize when we got down there (in the red zone). I think they (the Saints) had some of the same malfunctions."
Might that be because you stopping running the ball? I think the 'less than 20 passes per game' mantra would work for this team.... By the way, did you find yourself making uncontrollable outbursts Sunday? You weren't the only one:
Thoughts on WR Smith’s sideline outburst this past Sunday - Reeder's Take : Gaston Gazette
Is this Smith’s fault? No. His decline in numbers is largely due to the folks around him not that he’s turned 30. Simply put, when you have a weapon like Smith you find a way to GET HIM THE BALL. That’s up to the offensive coordinator, the quarterback, the offensive line (to block better) and the other receivers/tight ends (who need to become bigger factors in the passing game and take pressure off him). I also blame it on the front office for not going out and getting a No. 2 receiver this off-season or trading for a quality TE like Tony Gonzalez.
That may be true Mr. Reed but isn't there a better way of addressing this than on the field? I wonder about the lines of communication on offense. If Davidson is losing the feedback from the players he very well could end up out of a job at the end of the season similar to how Mike Tyrgovac's tenure came to a close.
Someone whom I expect to stick around a long time in spite of his ACL tear is LB Thomas Davis. I admit though I'm curious about the return of RB Decori Birmingham.
Panthers place Davis in IR; call up linebacker from practice squad | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
The Panthers filled their practice squad vacancy by bringing back running back Decori Birmingham, who spent most of last year on the practice squad and was in training camp with Carolina this year.
Could Birmingham be the next FB if Fiammetta can't go yet again? He is supposedly better in pass protection than Sutton. We shall see.
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Jaxon…from reading his statement “What they have to do is trust Delhomme to throw it downfield, trust Smith to make a play. And if you’re not going to do that, then you have to wonder what the plan is.”, I derived that he is basically saying that if Fox is going to live and die by Delhomme then he should let him play without handcuffing him. As you stated that is what led to the 13 interceptions!! So my take is they don’t trust Jake to throw the long ball which means the offense is watered down and we will only beat average teams on most Sundays. Additionally, they would rather play an aging veteran that has lost his mojo rather than taking a rookie like Matt Moore and giving him a shot to see what gives. Therefore, we are forced to watch an anemic offense for the next 8 games due to the QB situation. I just hope next year we do not see more of the same.
by Davejinxer on Nov 11, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This game wasn't the "aging veteran's" fault
The 13 earlier INT’s — not in all cases, either — lay at Delhomme’s feet, yes. But he played the Saints’ game as he was asked to do, and did it pretty well.
“,,,trust Delhomme to throw it downfield…” — what did he but just that on the perfectly led toss to Jarrett, who proceeded to (apparently close his eyes and think about the goalline) let it go right through his hands? What did he do on the long pass to Smitty, who says he lost it in the lights?
Moore couldn’t have caught (and thrown) those passes, could he?
We’ve all been dissecting this game like a frog in a lab. We need to let it go, and hope a few things (just a few) get fixed in the Falcons game, and beyond.
There are a host of good things about this team, and if Jarrett can start to catch a pass more than 10 yards downfield, when it’s right in his hands, and if whoever’s in for Hoover at FB can lead block at the GL without bumping the QB, and if our CB’s can play the last part of a game like they play the first part (i.e., tight bump coverage at the line, even in a 3 wide set) — then we can win a bunch of games. I just described 4 plays (and didn’t even mention the GL drop by D-Will which would’ve been a TD, and negated the bump by Bernadeau) — and those 4, if executed properly, would’ve resulted in victory.
We’re close, even without Hoover and Thomas Davis.
by bigdavis on Nov 11, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I do not believe that...
those few plays translate to “trust Delhomme to throw it downfield”. Many of those plays were of desperation from a team trying to come from behind because they were too conservative in the first half and ran on 3rd and long too many times. Why are they being that conservative, because of Delhomme and his incompetence. I got hope, but it is for the future of the team which I hope does not include Delhomme as the starter next year. “We’re close”… not to be Johnny Raincloud but close to what I would like to know? A team that is one dimensional on offense will not go very far. This is the problem and all the local sports writers see it, the national sports analyst see it, the majority of fans see it, and you can bet the opposing coaches and teams see it! Problems just don’t fix themselves, and standing pat will not fix them either…changes have to be made. I admire the optimism; I just don’t share in it.
by Davejinxer on Nov 11, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I wasn’t trying to be a Pollyanna, or ignore or refute the inadequacies that the team possesses.
They’ve been all too obvious.
But I wanted to show that Delhomme still CAN throw it downfield. And if only a few of those passes had been caught vs N.O., we’d be a lot happier, and probably less strident (not necessarily you) in calling for Jake to be replaced.
Some problems have to be fixed through change (of personnel) — others can be fixed through adjustments.
by bigdavis on Nov 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Foxy
Looks like he is getting ready to drop an F-bomb in that pic.
by ERL on Nov 11, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Reminds me of the story that the Irish golf commentator told of the time a few years ago when Tiger Woods and Ernie Els were paired together, coming down to the wire in a big tournament (details escape me as to where and when, but no matter) — Woods has an impossible lie, more than 250 out, with tall trees in front of him, and a big lake guarding the green, with the pin in an impossible position.
Woods hits a miraculous shot, missing all trees, clearing the lake, and rolling to 10 feet.
Els, on camera, on mike, is heard to mutter, “F___ me!”
Classic.
by bigdavis on Nov 11, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“I still can’t believe we lined up Bernadeau at FB and Sutton at tailback. Why not on 1st down put Williams in the single back set and hand it off to him and let him do his thing? Doesn’t work, try the same with Stewart. In 3 tries one of those two will get that 3 yards.”
Absolutely agreed.
Interesting about Birmingham, though, I didn’t even know he was still around on the PS. I feel like, at some points, we’re trusting a single player too much, yet at others we’re not trusting them enough.
For instance, I remember Williams getting a few 3rd and long carries and converting them, plus some extra yardage after that. Then we get to the goal line and would rather attempt a hand off to Sutton? Then toss it to Williams? Admittedly, either could have worked but why? Why not go ahead and hand it to Williams as was stated?
I agree with BigDavis.
“We’ve all been dissecting this game like a frog in a lab. We need to let it go, and hope a few things (just a few) get fixed in the Falcons game, and beyond.”
People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.
by D-Ranged1 on Nov 11, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I want to let this game go
but when it was over I was really at a loss as to how we lost exactly…it was not very apparent like previous losses, where INT’s were the obvious culprit
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by Jaxon on Nov 12, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know right?
I crumpled when DWill fumbled that ball and the Saints scored. I think I was catatonic until Tuesday afternoon.
by The Kackalack Kid on Nov 12, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So we need to be more aggressive. No Number #2 receiver is the just one of our problems.
The answer is simple John Fox can say all he wants to about Jake Delhomme but the fact is that neither John Fox nor Jeff Davidson believe that Delhomme can be the starter for this team anymore. Delhomme is not aloud to throw and really I cannot blame them. Only good thing about this season is that it is half over and we will have a ton of money to throw out at free agents this offseason b/c Peppers, Delhomme, Kemo, Matt Moore, Moose, McCown, Marshall and more are going to be let go.
I am for getting Jason Campbell in here and improving our QB position but we still need to draft a young QB as well such as Jarrett Brown from WVU or Jevan Snead from Ole Miss; however we need another good #2 Receiver with some experience Malcom Floyd has the height but I just don’t know if the Chargers let him leave and if he has the blocking ability.
Answer is simple let the younger guys finish out the season and be done with it; just stinks that McCown got hurt b/c if he was still healthy then he would be starting right now over Delhomme.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 11, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Of course after seeing Matt Moore we have nothing at the QB backup position and Fox knows it.
AJ or Matt whose is better I will take neither for 100 bob.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Moore...
I would still like too see him start an entire game this year to satisfy my curiosity.
by Davejinxer on Nov 12, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you’re counting on us letting quite a bit of players go after the season, huh?
People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.
by D-Ranged1 on Nov 12, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Marshall resigns
The kid is too good to let go, he’s been playing well this year. And I stand by my prediction that Peppers will sign long-term. Kemo stays, Thomas goes, and we keep either Moore or McCown, whichever impresses more. Delhomme could either be kept as a backup, consultant, or he could retire. Either Vincent Jackson or Malcolm Floyd will make it off the Chargers roster, so we likely could get one of them.
by chinchillas sword on Nov 12, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OH NO...
Don’t even say that Thomas Jones leaves. You’re gonna make me weep like a woman. We need that guy like Jack Black needs Kyle Gass. Please believe.
by The Kackalack Kid on Nov 12, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you want to trade an old inconsistent QB, for a young inconsistent QB on the premise he will play better for the Panthers. I’ll remind you of the David Carr experiment and ask you if Campbell is still your FA of choice.
I would rather see Fox (whose next season is the last on his contract) pick up Gracia game plan around him for one season, draft a mid round QB and WR(no trading the 1st rounder for a second), develop said QB, and let the next head coach pick up a QB competition with a high/mid 1st round pick.
I don’t think that Garcia is the answer, but he would be able to step in, be competitive, and provide the team with veteran leadership to help ease or prevent the lame duck final season of Jon Fox . Jason Campbell needs to ride the pine for a season or two under a good QB (think Brady, Peyton Manning, Brees, types) then play for a team in need of a QB, but next season he will do better for us then the ’Skins.
by bleed_in_blue on Nov 12, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Gantt
They have to throw more and try to be more balanced, even at the risk of more INTs. It is rediculous to think any team can only run and beat really good teams consistently… That’s not how we got 12 wins last year. It’s never worked that way and never will.
Let Jake toss it around again, if he’s still throwing picks, put Moore in.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Nov 12, 2009 1:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I think with Atlanta's poor ranking in pass D, they'll do it this Sunday
by bigdavis on Nov 12, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Having Rosario back will help too
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by Jaxon on Nov 12, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they have really missed Rosario
He has become way more reliable than Jarrett or Barnidge. If the Panthers get the passing game going this week, then I think they take care of ATL.
Maybe I should finally start Smitty on my fantasy team??? It’ll be to your undoing Jaxon ;)
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by southtunnel on Nov 12, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...tough call.
Don’t dwell on it too much ST…Smitty is due for a breakout…27th ranked passing D…yet if he bombs again you will feel like you let your Panther inner-Homer doom your FFL season…what to do what to do.. or might I be getting in your head?
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by Jaxon on Nov 12, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
^ Ruins my fantasy season every season.
People speculate on what comes next, in the afterlife. I just hope they serve collards.
by D-Ranged1 on Nov 13, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He did pretty well the first game against ATL
I also have the NYG flavor of Steve Smith, but he’s on bye… so I don’t have much choice but live or die by Jake’s ability to throw this week.
That’s just how good Steve Smith is! Even when Jake’s having his worst season “Steve Smith” is still a league leader… It’s like he’s 2 places at once.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Nov 13, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why didnt we trade for Cutler?
I remember someone had a recent post where you could absolve yourself from a stupid thought you have had about the Panthers as a fan and after 5 picks last night, I decided to add this to the list.
by parkershawn2001 on Nov 13, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
I’ll still say that this most recent loss was due to the Panthers getting away from the running game. We had a lead in the 4th quarter, and Jeff king called some crucial passing plays that cost us the game.
This team has the ability to become the Arizona Cardinals in the way that even though you absolutely suck in one area of the game, you can become completely dominant in the other. The problem is that Jeff King has the tendency to call some pretty weird plays, or simple plays that are easy to read by the defense.
That, injuries, and special teams has killed us this season. The injury to Davis is going to be huge later on in the season. Sadly.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Nov 14, 2009 1:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Our tight end is calling our plays? No wonder we’re screwed up!
by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 14, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol....
You know who I mean. King Jeff the King of the Panthers offense.
More like the pretender. He reminds me of Prince John usurping his fathers throne while he’s off on a big crusade.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Nov 14, 2009 3:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice recovery...not! :)
The TE might just call better plays
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by Jaxon on Nov 15, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
(That's why one shouldn't post in the middle of the night!)
…and who was that, that was off on the crusade again? Redd Foxx?
by bigdavis on Nov 14, 2009 9:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
After the 2nd half John Fox thought the game was done, so he took a nap.
In the locker room, John Fox turns to Jeff Davidson and talls him “You can take it from here, right?”
Jeff Davidson replies “Sure! No problem boss!”
So John Fox sneaks off to find a comfortable lawnchair hidden behind the cameras and the players and he takes a nap. He wakes up near the end of the 4th Quarter, takes a look up at the scoreboard, and promptly pisses himself.
That’s how it all went down!
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Nov 14, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
((After the 1st half :3))
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Nov 14, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol.. Rev!
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by Jaxon on Nov 15, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say put in Captain Munnerlinn !
He can play offense as well as defense and special teams.
Plus the Captain outranks everyone else !
by WarWolf on Nov 14, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Gamecocks could have used him yesterday
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by Jaxon on Nov 15, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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