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Panthers’ Hump Day Prognostication (Arizona Cardinals edition)

Arizona Cardinals' Larry Fitzgerald, right, runs away from New York Giants' C.C. Brown (41) during the third quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 25, 2009, in East Rutherford, N.J.  (AP Photo/Mel Evans)

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3 months ago: Arizona Cardinals' Larry Fitzgerald, right, runs away from New York Giants' C.C. Brown (41) during the third quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 25, 2009, in East Rutherford, N.J. (AP Photo/Mel Evans)

Happy hump day Panther fans! Let's forget the Buffalo abomination and move forwards towards Sunday when we head to the desert to face the NFC West leading, 4-2 Arizona Cardinals. The team name alone should conjure up images of pain and torture to most Panther fans. A season imbued with so much promise was dashed when we were outcoached, outplayed and outperformed at BoA in the playoffs in 2008. Couple this with the last Arizona game being ominous of what our QB has become in 2009 and it makes for it to be an emotional game for the Panthers.

Let me start with this caveat for today's article: Here we sit on Wednesday morning with no news that neither Matt Moore, nor A.J Feeley has been working with the first team. There has been no official announcement by the team, and no rumblings other than opinion. I think we need to be prepared that John Fox will start Jake Delhomme this week vs. Arizona, so my prognostication will be based on this, even though I disagree with it.

Emotion is one thing that fuels the Panthers. We often rise to the occasion when pride is on the line, oftentimes more so than when a playoff spot or home field advantage is at stake. However, Arizona have regained their footing in the West and displayed a lot of grit at the Meadowlands besting the NY Giants on Sunday night.

So, how does Sunday shape up for us? Stay tuned, after the jump

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Carolina rushing offense vs. Arizona rush defense

Step 1: Jeff Davidson lets Double Trouble run the ball.

Step 2: ??

Step 3: Profit!

It's as simple as that. We cannot stand on ceremony any more and have our QB throw the ball to win the game. It doesn't work... ever (well, hardly ever). Delhomme is 1-6 when he is forced to throw the ball more than 40 times. Double Trouble are starting to find their footing, and we can't move away from that. DeAngelo, in particular, looks amazingly poised in the backfield and you get the feeling he could have ran for over 200 yards in the last 2 games if he got the carries.

Surprisingly, Arizona's rush defense has been very, very stout; not just stout, but dominant. They are 1st in the league vs. the run and have played against very good opposing running backs: Franks Gore, Maurice Jones-Drew, Joseph Addai, Steve Slaton and Brandon Jacobs. These RBs are all arguably in the top 15 in the league at their position, yet still the Cards have stuffed them all.

The reason for this is two-fold, first, Karlos Dansby and Clark Haggins are proving to be difference makers at OLB and are getting to the line very quickly, secondly, the Cards aren't afraid to bring their corners and safeties in run support; they often blitz with Antrel Rolle and use him to stop runs before they start. This matches up well against DeAngelo Williams who likes to take his time behind the line and let holes develop before hitting the gaps. The Cardinals will be banking that their players can get into the backfield before D-Will makes his first move.

That being said, the Cards haven't seen an RB as good as DeAngelo Williams this season, and Jonathan Stewart is proving to be very effective (provided his hand injury doesn't limit him). As good as their run defense is, I don't think it's good enough to hold down Double Trouble.

Edge to Carolina.

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Carolina pass offense vs. Arizona pass defense

I'm assuming Jake is starting... need I say more? Unless the chip on Jake's shoulder turns him superhuman this week it could be a long day for the pass offense. Steve Smith will be working against Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, who is a very, very solid CB. Even though the Cards rank 29th against the pass, if we rely on Jake's arm to beat them we lose, it's as simple as that.

Edge to Arizona

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Arizona run offense vs. Carolina run defense

Arizona are still searching for a true running back that can turn their offense into a dual threat. They have talent in Tim Hightower and rookie Beanie Wells, but I think the Cards know their passing is too good to give too many opportunities to the backs. The Cards are 32nd in the league in rush offense, we are 26th in defense. However, the season averages don't take into account Hollis Thomas, our loquacious run stuffer who has given the defense some of its identity and swagger back. Our pass defense should force Arizona to run the ball more than they're used to, but I don't really see it as a threat against our defense.

Edge to Carolina

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KEY MATCHUP: Arizona pass offense vs. Carolina pass defense

Here it is folks, the key matchup for the week. Chris Harris gave the Carolina secondary the shot in the arm they needed and Ron Meeks' system allowing 5-8 yards gains instead of 15-20 yard gains has been the hallmark of the Carolina pass defense which has allowed it to become 1st in the league.

Then, you have the juggernaut which is Arizona's pass offense. Arizona are 7th in the league in passing, but really people realize that next to New Orleans they have the best passing offense in the NFL. Let's go down the list of receivers... shall we? Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Steve Breaston... arguably the best receiving corps in football. Tim Hightower is catching the ball out of the backfield, even 4th receiver Jerheme Urban is getting the ball. They are stacked at the position. What about the man throwing the ball? Kurt Warner continues to look ageless, and though his TD/INT differential isn't as good as it was last season he's still a major factor.

I love Carolina's pass defense, but I don't think they matchup well.

Fitzgerald vs. Gamble: Fitzgerald wins

Boldin vs. Marshall: Boldin wins

Breaston vs. Munnerlyn: Breaston wins

In the end, I think this makes the difference in the game.

Edge to Arziona

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Overall analysis

It will be a very emotional game this week for the Panthers and Panther fans. I know we're all hoping this week Matt Moore gets the start, shoots the lights out and turns this season into a ‘once in a decade' story. Realistically though, I think Delhomme gets the start, we run the ball well, but can't survive a shootout against an extremely potent Cardinals' passing game

Arizona Cardinals 27 - Carolina Panthers 14

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Strongly agree my friend

I think the storyline is whether John Fox wants to sign his pink slip with Jake holding the pen.

Jake has taken away the deep threat by being notoriously inaccurate. Extending the receivers with high passes and taking shots that probably aren’t needed.

From what I have seen in the preseason is that Matt Moore is more accurate and can hit those tight windows. His problem is the lack of experience. Matt may have a quicker release.

My only explanation from not announcing the quarterback is to make Arizona take extra time to prepare for potantially 3 quarterbacks and not necessarily prepare for one. That eats up a TON of tape viewing and decreases prep time.

I think we may find out Friday. That is what I would do.

by univonc on Oct 28, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not announcing the QB I understand...

but no report of them even working out with the first team? That doesn’t really bode well for change. Unless there is a report that they did today in Wednesday practice I don’t expect it to happen.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know James

Noticed something Moday night driving back from a concert at the Fillmore.

Bank of America Stadium was fully lit (10pm, 22:00). I knew of no function occurring.

I assumed, that there was a special night practice. maybe some extra reps with the backups?

Just wondering……

by univonc on Oct 28, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely written James...

Wow I didn’t know our pass defense was 1st in the league…I know they have been playing amazing past few weeks but it was against inferior offensive teams…this Sunday will be the true test for our D hopefully they will play with a chip on their shoulder after Peppers little speech..

I also want Matt Moore to start but like you said it might not happen..so I’m just gonna hope that Jake plays better knowing the fact that if he doesn’t play well this game he is gonna get benched for sure…

Regardless I believe we will get our revenge from last year disappointing playoff loss and pullout an emotional win..My prediction Carolina 28-Arizona 24

by jay23 on Oct 28, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Three Muskateers

I assume you have read that Ghantt, Reed and Sorenson (not sure about spelling) have all written that Jake shuold get another chance Sunday. Something stinks here because earlier this week they all were saying that Jake should be benched. Is Fox, Richardson and the rest of the crew putting pressure on our local writers to stop trashing Jake. This should only happen in Washington.

by Cwilly1 on Oct 28, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that

I just don’t see Richardson putting any pressure on the media. If that were the case someone would have leaked it. Even with Dan Snyder trying to censor everything negative in Washington he can’t silence the media.

My assumption is that a cooling off period has lead to more rational thought. The emotional response immediately following the game and on Monday was ‘bench Jake, salt the earth, fire Fox, fire Hurney… fire EVERYONE’ as the week goes on perhaps the notion of starting a new QB with less than one week’s practice, on the road, on the other side of the country against a 4-2 team might not be the best for a young QB’s progression.

Though I typically fall into the ‘throw them to the wolves’ camp, I can see the logic.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Oct 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washington

James I meant the politicians not the team. I should have been clearer with my comments. We see so much pressure on the media in DC it makes you sick.

by Cwilly1 on Oct 28, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then again

they may have been paying more attention to the alternatives than normal. Word is out that Moore doesn’t know the playbook, which is inexcusable in his third year in the system. If our backup isn’t ready, then Jake and better playcalling is the best solution.

by Cyberjag on Oct 29, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Delhomme will start...

Fox loves him too much to bench him against Zona — he will give Delhomme the chance to redeem himself for what happened last year.

And who knows, maybe if Delhomme leads us to a 31-13 win against the Cards that he will suddenly climb out of this funk he’s been in and return to “2003 Jake”. (Yeah, like that’s gonna happen.)

But seriously, I don’t look for Moore to start unless we are 2-6 when Atlanta comes to town (and that might even be a stretch). Do I like it? No — but at the same time I am being a realist and seeing that Fox would rather go down in flames with “his guy” than give Moore a shot. If he were willing to give Moore a chance to show what he’s got, he would have done so by now.

by bwsmith25 on Oct 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, Fox will give Delhomme one last shot at redemption from the team that started his downward spiral. And I guarantee if Delhomme screws this one up it’ll be Moore starting week 9, or hell maybe even in the 4th quarter.

by EyeSack on Oct 28, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I too agree

I think Fox is at an excorcist down on the Bayou right now, throwing holy water on Jake while he lies shaking on a couch, while Archie Manning yells “The power of Manning compels you! The power of Manning compels you!”

No really, i think Jake gets his last shot at exorcising his demon against Arizona, and if he can’t, we see Moore.

by Tater596 on Oct 28, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol!

Tater, that was hysterical! I gotta get up off the floor before my boss starts asking questions.

by The Kackalack Kid on Oct 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1...one of the better I've heard in a while!

gave me a great visual!

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Oct 28, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AWESOME!

I’m still laughing! : D

by Flowing Willow on Oct 29, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Last week against Buffalo was the “right time” to start Moore. At AZ will be a much more difficult assignment. We could have eased Matt into the starting job. As opposed to “throwing him o the wolves.”

Additionally, i wouldn’t be surprised at all if Jake starts the game and the Panthers went on to spank the Cards this Sunday. That said, i still think that Delhomme should have been benched after the Philly game, and we might not be in the current no-win position.

by dudemanhey on Oct 28, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice!

James – great write-up as usual. Also, a special nod to the South Park reference there ;) “All is fair in love and war…and coffee.”

Anyways, I suspect Jake will start. It would great to see him redeem himself against the Cards – especially against the Cards. I literally had to read the part of where our pass defense is first in the league, considering we don’t have that many INTs – but I suppose against the anemic pass offenses that we’ve seen, it stands to reason the stats would be skewed in our favor.

I do look to our defense to step in big again though. Hopefully a lesson was garnered from last years playoff game – shadow Fitzgerald. With Meeks’ system though – it will be interesting to see how we shut down the WRs’ routes.

by boywonderncsu on Oct 28, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Better have a new game plan than last year.

Fitz better not have a monster game again. Three times doing the same thing would be unreal. Although with a new system it would probably be different anyway.

by LittleKing on Oct 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to disagree with your analysis a bit, James...

…but I’ll do it as respectfully as possible, because I really like your in-depth take on things and the optimism you so often bring.

First, let’s talk about Carolina’s rushing attack vs. Arizona’s run defense. I give the edge to Arizona. They’re not going to fear Delhomme. He’s self-destructed far too many times this year…as well as the playoff meltdown against them. We return all the same starters from last year. So they’ve seen us and know what to prepare for to defend us. They’ve improved their run defense last year…and, as you noted, they’re #1 in the league and it’s confirmed against some pretty good running teams and RBs. So, despite the optimism of what Deangelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart could accomplish if everything went Carolina’s way and Jeff Davidson call a higher percentage of running plays, I just don’t see it happening for the Panthers on the ground. Arizona will stack the box. They’ll challenge Delhomme (whom I also expect to start…albeit with a short leash)…and, until he actually hurts them through the air and gets Carolina a lead, I don’t see Arizona departing from that kind of defensive game plan against us. After they stop Williams and Stewart and force us into punting the ball away…and assuming their high-powered offense manages to get a lead on our defense…they’ll put us in the same spot everyone else has so far this season…i.e., with Jake Delhomme forced to throw the ball to preserve clock and try to bring his team from behind. And, right now, we can all see that’s a recipe for disaster. Arizona knows it. Hence, they’re playing a one-dimensional team. And our offense will self-destruct as we try and run it into a buzzsaw defense. Edge: Arizona

Next, I agree with you about the Panthers’ passing offense vs. Arizona’s pass defense. Though they’re 29th against the pass, we’re dead last in turnovers…and particularly bad in pick-six INTs. So their weakness vs. our weakness still gives them the edge. Turnovers are far more costly. The Panthers have exactly 0 TDs to their WRs. Only the TEs have contributed to the scoreboard in that regard. So again, we’ve got far too many problems in that area than Arizona has on defense. Plus, as long as they stop our run-on-1st-down, run-on-2nd-down playcalls, they’ll have us in pass-on-3rd-and-long, which again plays to their advantage, because they can blitz fairly effectively. And we have a QB that doesn’t do well when pressured in the pocket, particularly on 3rd and long. Edge: Arizona

Next up, let’s talk about Arizona’s rushing offense vs. Carolina’s run defense. I agree we’re much stouter now than we were at the beginning of the season. I chalk that up to “the Hollis Effect,” too. A big DT does wonders for run defense. But, running the ball isn’t Arizona’s focus. So, although we have a strength in this area, our LBs and safeties are going to have to be far more concerned about covering the middle of the field than coming up in run support. By the time Arizona starts running the ball at us, it’ll only be because they already have the lead courtesy of their passing offense…or points put on the board by their special teams or defense. Edge: Carolina (but it won’t matter)

Lastly, let’s examine the Arizona passing offense vs. Carolina’s secondary. Quite frankly, we’re in trouble here. With the exception of Ken Lucas, we’ve got the same exact secondary who couldn’t stop Arizona in the playoffs last year. Although they’ll be motivated to provide a different performance, Arizona will be playing at home. They’re already firing on all cylinders. They come into this game with their confidence sky-high, not only because of our recent failings, but also because of their recent successes (e.g., vs. the Giants). Secondly, our defensive ranking against the pass is completely misleading. Opponents haven’t had to pass on us, because they’re either gashing our run defense (early in the season) or they’re working with a short field courtesy of our offense turning it over (see the Buffalo game), or they’re playing with a lead because of big plays (due to special teams or INT returns). So, we’re in big trouble here, because Arizona will use the pass to setup the run. It also gives them the ability to put up points quickly. And that seems to panic our coaching staff and make them get away from a reasonable game plan to beat opponents. Edge: Arizona

Now, I know I said “lastly” on the last paragraph, but I think you also need to rate a couple of other important elements in our games from this point forward in the season. What about Arizona’s special teams vs. Carolina’s special teams? I’ve got no confidence in the Panthers on that side of the ball. Edge: Arizona

In addition, what about Arizona’s coaching staff vs. Carolina’s coaching staff? I’ve lost a lot of confidence in the gameplanning of John Fox’s staff, the playcalling from Jeff Davidson, and any ability on Carolina’s part to make the proper adjustments at half-time to beat what opponents are trying to do to us on the field. Edge: Arizona

You stack all that up, and we’re way behind on having much of a chance to show well…much less win…this game. For a lot of those reasons, I think it’s the wrong time to start Matt Moore or A.J. Feeley. I think it’s also important to see if Jake musters any kind of grit and determination again not only to exorcise the demons of the Buffalo game, but also the playoff loss to Arizona. If he’s totally lackluster again…even in the middle of the game…I say we yank him. But for the time being, you start him and see how much he…and the team…responds.

But that’s just my two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Oct 28, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like we agree on most everything, bar the Arizona run defense.

You did see that I picked Arizona to win, right?

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Oct 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I did. :-)

I didn’t mean to come across as adversarial or anything though…and wanted to soften what I was saying a bit. The places where we disagree the most involve the Arizona run defense, but also starting Jake Delhomme over Matt Moore. I think Delhomme still gives us the best chance to win. But, given that I don’t expect us to win regardless, I don’t think that says very much.

Instead, I think it’s important to start Delhomme in an effort to let him summon up whatever he’s got left (if anything) to “undo” the storyline he wrote in the playoffs last year against Arizona. If he performs well…even in a loss…the I think that’s great. It staves off the decision to start Moore or Feeley a bit longer, probably. And, I really don’t think anyone wants to see Moore go out there against New Orleans the week after that.

Also, I started to give the edge to our passing game vs. Arizona’s secondary. It’s hard to do that given Jake’s recent performances and flatlining confidence level. But still, if Arizona does stack the box to stop the run…and if Jake does summon up the energy to turn things around against a team that embarrassed him so badly last year…then we could start seeing a different game. Because, if our passing attack gets on track (as a result of Arizona waiting for Delhomme to self-destruct), it means we’d have a chance to keep pace with Arizona’s scoring. And, if our defense stymies them at all…and our special teams don’t serve up another colossal blunder…a successful day by Jake passing the ball could set up our rushing attack. But that’s a lot of if’s…and an even bigger one (to me, anyway) is if the Carolina coaching staff is smart enough to craft a gameplan that tries to capitalize on that.

To everyone else, I’m sure that looks like suicide, because it involves putting the ball in Jake’s hands early and asking him to take advantage of an Arizona defense that will most assuredly be trying to stop the run. It also means receivers running their routes correctly. It means Jeff Davidson calling better pass plays and not just the smoke routes to Smitty and bombs to Gary Barnidge. Yes, those guys are great weapons. But the timing of when and where and how you use them is important. Otherwise, if a team like Buffalo can practice “obvious” plays they know we’re going to run, we’ll be dead in the water against a better team like Arizona.

Anyway, no biggie. I just had some time at work today and read your piece and felt compelled to offer some counterpoint…but also some underscoring of your points, too. Great job, as usual.

Another two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Oct 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love your counterpoints.

My argument for Moore vs. Jake isn’t based on who gives us the greatest chance to win now, it’s based more on ‘Who gives us a better chance to win in the future’.

The Saints look almost unstoppable, and the NFC is stacked. I think it’s really important to try and get Moore 10 starts to see if he has what it takes. That way we can accurately evaluate the QB position prior to the draft.

Worst case scenario would be waiting until week 12 to get Moore in and only have 3 starts to see if he can carry the load in the future. It’s a tough call, but I’m looking at it like a decision for 2010 and beyond.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Oct 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can understand that...

…and I know a lot of people who completely agree. I look at it a different way, though…and maybe that’s just because I’m a naturally risk-averse person. But, say we start Moore now and intend to play him through these last 10 games. Are you prepared for him to start off with a loss to Arizona, followed by a loss to New Orleans, and potentially followed by a loss to Atlanta on our own homefield? What kind of future would that usher in if he’s thrown to the wolves and starts out 0-3 and has just as bad an outing as Jake? Will it be because he’s not the future? Or will it be because he just wasn’t given any kind of chance to resurrect the team?

In short, I don’t know that you’re getting a good evaluation of him as to whether he gives us the best chance to win in the future. And, honestly, I don’t think he will be. I think Carolina’s QB of the future isn’t yet on the team. Whether that comes via the draft or free agency, I don’t know. And whether that comes next year, or the year after that, or maybe even a couple of years down the road…I don’t know. All I do know (or think I know) is that Jake still gives us the best chance at salvaging some wins out of this season. We’re certainly not mathematically-eliminated. There have been teams start 0-5 before and still make the playoffs. We’re 2-4. If we beat Arizona, we’re 3-4. Then, we have two straight division games. One of them’s at home. So maybe we get to 5-4? Do I think that’ll happen? Based on our current performance, no. But do I give up hope by totally cashing in Jake and capitulate the remainder of the season by starting Moore? I’m going to say no.

But that’s just my (admittedly unpopular) two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Oct 28, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see you in the blog again Neil!

I love to read your analysis.

For me, I hold the opinion that Jake is the worst QB in the NFL, currently, right now. He’s right down there in the dumps with Jamarcus Russell and Marc Bulger. With Jake Delhomme playing at his current status, we will have no chance of beating the Cardinals.

Down the road, I honestly believe that he should be given a chance to start. He has the strongest arm on the team and is the only QB on the roster that is young enough to serve as our QB of the future and give us the best chance of being a franchise QB. He’s been on the team for a few years now, and he’s had the experience of learning under Delhomme during his good times and his bad. Whether it be during the Cardinals game, the New Orleans game, or somewhere down the road against the Bucs, Miami, or a less difficult team, he needs to be given a chance to start from Quarter 1 and see what he has to bring to the table. AJ Feeley is a little decent and he can be thrown into the game on a worse case scenario basis, but he’s 32 years of age. He’s not going to be our future guy.

The problem with waiting for him to start later is that as the season wears on, our team isn’t going to get out on the field trying to win the game. If you wait till too late in the season and we have a record of 6-7 or 5-8, you’re not going to get a honest evaluation of Matt Moore. The offensive line is going to give up blocks, all of the wideouts are going to be half hearted in their routes, and meanwhile Moore is going to be trying to win him a starting job and not have a fair advantage. The team won’t be playing for anything, they’ll just be out there earning their money.

I agree with you for this week. Let Jake Delhomme try to reverse his misfortunes where his misfortunes started, in Arizona. At the same time, let’s not wait too long to put Moore on the field. Unless Jake has an awakening, Moore deserves a chance to start. Even if he fails, at least we gave him that fair chance.

I just want Moore points on the board.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Oct 28, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I said earlier (in one of my responses)...

…I think Jake gets the nod, but he should have a very short leash this time. If he’s still got any kind of accuracy with his passes or he’s making poor decisions with the ball…I say we pull him and put in Moore. Not Feeley, because as you said, he doesn’t need evaluation as our possible QB of the future…because he isn’t. Moore might be. He’s more versed in the current system we’re running. So we should put him out there. BUT…that’s only if Jake’s melting down again.

I remember an earlier bit of philosophy that used to get shared by Gerry Vaillancourt when he did commentary on the Panthers in their early days. One of the best measures you can ever take of someone is to see how far they bounce when they hit rock bottom. Do they hit rock bottom and stay there? Or do they bounce back? And if so, how high?

Clearly, Jake has hit rock bottom in terms of his career. That prompts everyone to say his best days are behind him. Maybe that’s true. Maybe it isn’t. Fans are very reactionary. They generally turn on an underperforming player (especially a QB) very, very fast. I believe many of them make snap judgements about those situations just based on what they see in front of them…i.e., Jake overthrowing someone and it’s an INT. But I tend to go back and evaluate a LOT of other things besides just the act of the QB throwing the ball to a specific point and what happens after that. I prefer to go back and look at the game situations in which things like that occur. Not because I’m looking for excuses to defend Jake against all comers. The guy clearly makes mistakes. He’s made some really big ones. Especially this year…

But…so has the coaching staff. For a team returning all 11 starters on offense, I’m amazed that they’re not doing any better this year. Not because I expected them to run all the same stuff like they did last season to duplicate that success. Rather, I expected them to build on last year’s experience and install some entirely new stuff in their offensive arsenal so they can keep opposing defenses guessing. Especially since we’re playing much better defenses this year than the cupcake schedule we enjoyed while going 12-4 the year before.

Instead, however, I’m sensing a major meltdown among the coaching staff, primarily on the offensive side of the ball (and special teams). And, in all honesty, I thought defense would be the big glaring problem this year. I didn’t Ron Meeks and company would be able to make all the necessary adjustments this quickly…or find a suitable replacement (or enhancement?) for Kemo. And yet, they have. Hats off to Ron Meeks. The defense is starting to gel. But it’s happening as the offense turns to mush. And it’s happening as the special teams dry up and blow away like chaff on the wind.

As a result, I attribute a lot of the team’s problems right now to the coaches. And I’d say at least in equal measure to Delhomme. Why? For a variety of reaons. We have a special teams coach who can’t seem to get his new special teams unit (which admittedly is young and somewhat more inexperienced) to properly execute anything. We’ve had TD returns, we’ve had blocked punts, blocked FGs, muffed catches, and so on. That’s really put us in a hole early on. Meanwhile, on the offensive side of the ball, we’ve had unimaginative playcalls that have resulted put the ball in Jake’s hands when we didn’t need to…like we expected him to throw it 60% of the time this year rather than run the ball. What’s that all about? In addition, when we fall behind (due to special teams errors or INT returns for TDs), the coaching staff panics and draws their collective head inside their turtle shell. They abandon the run so fast it makes your head spin completely around (see Tater? I can make an Exorcist reference, too!). The end result is they start calling plays to have Jake launch the ball downfield…and not the intermediate 5-15 yard kinds of passes…but far enough downfield that he either overthrows things completely or just generally loses accuracy and timing with his guys enough that opposiing safeties have gift-wrapped INTs waiting for them. He’s also had some tipped balls by receivers (or at the line), but that happens to plenty of guys. When it rains, it pours for Jake, though.

But still…what’s with the coaching staff doing such poor jobs on game planning, preparing their players, playcalling during the game, and making halftime adjustments that work? We seem especially lousy at all those things. And, on game day, our decision-making on the sidelines seems especially impotent in comparison to that of the opposing coaches. We still have exceptionally poor clock management late in the half and at the end of games. We burn our timeouts sometimes when we shouldn’t have to…and so on.

Now, I’m not going to blame all those INTs on the coaching staff. There are plenty of them that go straight on Jake. But I also look at the changes (or lack thereof) that occured in this team from last season. I don’t see very many. Jake got a new QB coach. Did he have him change anything? We returned all 11 starters on offense. Did the coaches change anything in terms of our plays? We added some great new weapons (Mike Goodson) and should have developed some existing talent on our roster (Gary Barnidge and Dante Rosario). We even saw quite a lot from those guys during the preseason that looked pretty impressive. Have we seen any of that get on the field this year? Not so much. As a result, I just don’t see the Panthers being creative enough, disciplined enough, or professional enough within the coaching staff, much less the players. And I say that, even though I’m a John Fox guy. He’s the single best coach we’ve ever had. I still think he’s an awesome coach, even with the team struggling right now. But we do appear to have some serious deficiences in their decision-making as a collective whole. And the players are starting to lose confidence in them, as well as the fans.

Anyway, I went on far longer than I meant to about the coaching staff as a major source of problems with the team than I wanted to…

Suffice it to say that I can see and understand everyone’s point about wanting to evaluate Moore. I just don’t believe now is the best time or situation to do it. I really don’t believe he’s the answer in turning around the season. I also don’t think the season is lost just yet. Now, if we lose to 2 out of the next 3 games (or worse), I will believe the season is lost. And then we can talk about starting Moore against Atlanta or Miami. But don’t throw him out there against Arizona or New Orleans yet…unless Jake totally melts down again. Then, I say pull him and start the young guy.

But that’s just my exceptionally long two-cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Oct 28, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps...

…but did you see my Exorcist tribute to you? C’mon, it’s only buried in three pages of text. See if you can pick it out… ;-D

by NSpicer on Oct 29, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see it!

Head spinning completely around. lol.

I was expecting something about puking all over the place, but i’ll take that.

by Tater596 on Oct 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

That we should evaluate Matt Moore but I doubt that’s gonna happen…he might surprise lots of people if given adequate chance to show what hes got

by jay23 on Oct 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The new head coach will get to decide whether Matt stays or goes… at the end of the season after Fox is fired.

by scorpion12 on Oct 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt is good or bad...

How will anyone know if Matt Moore is good or bad unless he is given a chance to play? He has only played 3 games in his rookie year and he was throwing to people he did not practice with. In spite of which he won 2 of the 3 games. It is very clear that Jake is done and we cannot expect anything from him going forward. His arm is stronger than ever before. He is over throwing the ball. In the past Steve Smith looked fast when he was receiving a Jake pass. Now Steve can barely make it to the ball.
Matt Moore needs to practice with Steve Smith. He looks comfortable with Kenny Moore. Give the poor lad a chance to prove himself. The Panthers need to have a viable backup QB even if Matt is not going to be their starter.
Time to write off the 20mil as a loss and start investing in the future.

by Indian Panther on Oct 28, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

To capitalize on one of your points Neil (about the coaching staff being smart enough to craft a competent game plan) – Arizona only has to really study 5-6 rushing plays and they can have us beat on the ground. We are not seeing any ingenuity coming out of Davidson this year. They need to have more G or T stunts on the o-line, perhaps some reverses sprinkled in…but all I have seen lately is Rush off Tackle, Rush off Guard, Sweep left, Sweep right…lather rinse repeat.

Moving off from the rushing plays – why in the world would Davidson keep calling 30+yd pass plays? He needs to fold those pages in his playbook over and look to 5-15yd pass plays in which he engages WRs & TEs on slants and crossing routes as well as RBs out of the backfield. Right now, Jake is out of sync – badly – and giving him those short routes to build completions and confidence would IMO help tremendously.

Look at Brees – he doesn’t chunk it down field on vertical routes all the time. He’ll dink and dunk until you see him get settled…THEN he starts ripping off those massive completions for 20, 30 and 40 yds down the field.

Heh – sorry, got a bit long winded on that one :)

by boywonderncsu on Oct 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno....

We played the Buffalo game that way….short passes, basically nothing downfield until we needed it. We started airing it out later as we were down, but basically stayed with the short-to-medium range passing scheme. And it failed miserably. Presumably because we shoulda been running the ball but still. I think our passing offense has to get back to being able to go deep. It’s the only thing thats gonna stretch the field and allow us to use the short middle of the field. Otherwise the oppositions gonna be able to pack the box against the run, AND sit on those slant and crossing routes in zones the way Buffalo did. If we cant go deep the DBs wont have to worry about being toasted, and they wont turn their hips, which is what makes the slants, crosses, and double moves effective.

by The Kackalack Kid on Oct 28, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

…the other major element I wanted to point out in analyzing the Arizona-Carolina game is the special teams and coaching matchups. I really do think they’re just as important as the offensive-defensive matchups.

by NSpicer on Oct 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true, good points.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Oct 28, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake's Starting

according to ESPN.

by DEEZEY on Oct 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not surprised in the slightest...

…the circle is now complete.

by NSpicer on Oct 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two game predictions.

Either

31-3 AZ

or

23-20 Panthers

by dudemanhey on Oct 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a giant spread

Any reason why the two vast differences?

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Oct 28, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and similar to what others are saying about this being a trap game for AZ

23-20 CAR

the Cards might not be as ready as they should, and maybe Jake doesn’t turn the ball over for once this season.

or

31-3 AZ

The Cards ARE ready and want this one more than the Panthers, who just roll over for them after Jake throws a couple of pick-6es

by dudemanhey on Oct 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s GOT to be whether Jakes throws the ball to his team mates or the cardinals…

by scorpion12 on Oct 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Starting QB

John Fox just announced he is sticking to jake as his QB. What will it take for Jake to be benched. How much more will the fans have to endure? How can Matt Moore do worse than Jake? Jake is on track to break every single negative record in the NFL.

by Indian Panther on Oct 28, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Either we lose 41-10 (a la the Eagles game) or Jake doesnt suck as much as usual and Arizona makes a mistake or two and we win 27-24 on a late Kasay FG.

by chillicothe20 on Oct 28, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trap game for the Cards

They have just come off a really big win at the Giants. They have every reason to believe that this home game against the woebegotten Panthers will be a pushover. “All we have to do is show up, guys, and brush these bums aside.”

Of such over-optimism are upsets born.

I see every Panther fired up to gain revenge on last year’s playoff upset, when (lest we forget) nobody — I mean NOBODY — gave the Cards a chance to beat us in Charlotte.

Per usual, Wednesdays bring the optimist out in me. This morning, I posted that Jake should get this start (as critical of him as I was on Monday), and I’ve seen stranger things in life (and football) happen than pulling the upset. Who knows? Maybe a tipped ball or two bounces into OUR hands for a change?

by bigdavis on Oct 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’m particularly interested in seeing just how fired up this team (and not just Jake) will be for the Cardinals. We have to play at their house, but they embarrassed us really badly last year at ours. We’re also really struggling right now. And a wounded Panther is an even more dangerous Panther, in my book. I want to see how focused these guys become. If the coaching staff can’t properly prepare for this game…and the players don’t get up for it and actually perform on the field…THEN we’ll know the season is truly, irrevocably lost. But right now, there’s a pretty potent storm brewing for the Panthers come out and play hard against Arizona.

by NSpicer on Oct 28, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, this has all the ingredients for a large upset at home for the cards provided we get ourselves in gear and take advantage of this supposed ‘easy win’ mentality i’m sure they have at the moment. Also the injury list as of earlier today is kind of beefy, i’m hoping these guys heal up quickly.

by EyeSack on Oct 28, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Panthers Not Being Taken Lightly in AZ

First of all, I just want to offer you guys some kudos for what a great thread this is. You cats are tossin’ out some very good analysis and talking some very good football. Good reading…

I agree that this weekend’s match up has “trap game” written all over it for the Birds, and you’re correct that if my Cards walk onto the field thinking they already have the game won, they will lose.

However, based on how the Arizona Cardinals have handled themselves on a professional level since the Whis came to the Valley, I wouldn’t count on the Birds having any sort of lackluster attitude or being a team that’s scratched a “W” on the calander for this Sunday.

I have no doubt in my mind that the Carolina Panthers are being taken every bit as seriously as the Giants were by everyone in our organization from Whisenhunt all the way down to the back-up punter. These Cardinals are not the same ol’ Cards that you’ve all come to know and love (that is up until the playoff game last year)…this is a highly motivated and professional football team that has class and a ton of very well-utilized talent. I hear it on local radio and tv all week, from the practice field, interviews and clips:

this Cardinal team has a lot of respect for their opponents and will not take any of them lightly, at all, to include a very potentially fiery Carolina Panthers team this Sunday, despite their record or recent turnover woes.

Anyway, hope no one sees me as trolling…I was compelled to post in here as friendly enemies for the week and by the extremelly insightful and well-crafted analysis from you Panter fans.

Good luck to you this Sunday, and let’s get a good game from both teams!

Below is a Pyrrhuloxia nest we discovered in a cholla near our home in the spring:

http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/ArizonaCardinals/turf.jpg

by Maynard Leopold on Oct 29, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well damn, Maynard!

There goes my hope for a trap game upset!

Thanks for stopping by. We value respectful discussions on this blog, and Jaxon keeps it that way.

The way things have been going for us this season, we can only hope for a close, well-executed game, with a chance to win in the 4th quarter. GL to you guys, too.

by bigdavis on Oct 30, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GL as well

I’d just like to point out that not always when the team says they’re not taking this as a trap game do they really mean it. Their play on the field will do the talking. And I will be listening closely. : D

by Flowing Willow on Nov 1, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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