Breaking Down Panthers' Turnovers in Loss to Bills
The Panthers dominated play on offense and defense Sunday, outgaining Buffalo 425-167 and posting 20 first downs, to just 9 for the Bills. Yet the Panthers lost 20-9, stopping a two-game winning streak with a home loss to a mediocre team.
How did they lose, then? If you have been following the Panthers for a while and you missed the game, you could probably answer that question. That's right, more turnovers -- mostly by Jake Delhomme. The quarterback threw three more picks Sunday, giving him 13 on the season. The Panthers also muffed a punt and failed to convert a fourth-and-short play. Essentially they turned the ball over to Buffalo five times; the Bills did not turn it over at all.
Make no mistake. This was not all Delhomme's fault. The entire team self-destructed. John Kasay, who has made more than 80 percent of his field goal attempts dating to the start of the 2006 season, missed 43- and 39-yard attempts in perfect conditions when the Panthers trailed only 7-2. And while the Buffalo defense stuffed the Panthers on their first red-zone trip, the Carolina defense allowed Buffalo to score touchdowns on its first two red-zone opportunities. That put Carolina behind 14-2 in the fourth quarter.
But the biggest difference were the change-of-possession plays. Here's a look at the four turnovers and fourth-down failure:
Situation: First-and-10, Carolina 13. 5:30 to play in the first quarter. 0-0 score.
Formations: The Panthers lined up in I-formation with two tight ends. The Bills were in a 4-3 with a corner playing press coverage on the Panthers' wide receiver.
What happened: A tight end went in motion right, drawing a Bills defensive back across the field. Delhomme faked a handoff to tailback DeAngelo Williams and threw deep down the middle of the field for tight end Gary Barnidge. Buffalo safety Jairus Byrd picked off the pass at the Carolina 45 and returned it to the Panthers 7.
How it happened: Buffalo rushed four linemen and Delhomme had all day to throw. But he threw high, failing to step into the throw. Instead he threw off his back foot, using mostly his arm. Barnidge ran right by two Bills and came open across the middle. Byrd was late to arrive in coverage, but the ball sailed over Barnidge and landed right in Byrd's hands. He then had plenty of room to run on the return.
The result: First-and-goal for Buffalo. Two plays later Marshawn Lynch scored on a run to put Buffalo ahead -- to stay.
Situation: Fourth-and-1, Buffalo 13. 6:10 to play in the third quarter. 7-2 Buffalo.
Formations: The Panthers used the I with an extra tight end lined up right and a receiver split left. The Bills lined up with nine players in the box, one deep safety and a corner in press coverage.
What happened: Tailback Jonathan Stewart took the handoff, ran left and was stuffed for a 2-yard loss. Linebackers Chris Draft and Paul Posluszny made the initial hit, then Byrd flew in and finished Stewart off.
How it happened: In the second quarter, trailing 7-0, Panthers coach John Fox attempted a field goal on fourth-and-short. Kasay missed a 43-yard attempt and later in the second he missed the 39-yard attempt. Fox chose to go for the first down this time, even though this kick would have been a chip shot -- 30 yards -- and would have cut Buffalo's lead to 7-5 with more than 20 minutes still to play and the Bills offense nearly hopeless.
As Stewart took the handoff, the offensive linemen went low and took out the Bills' linemen. But the Carolina fullback went low on Draft and missed him. Left tackle Jordan Gross blocked a defensive end, then flailed at Posluszny. Nobody else attempted to block Posluszny. He and Draft stuffed Stewart's momentum and as the back continued to fight, Byrd zipped up from free safety and wrestled him to the ground.
The result: The Panthers wound up without any points after moving 73 yards in five plays to the Buffalo 13. They still trailed by five points.
Situation: Second-and-6, Carolina 39. 1:20 to play in the third. 7-2 Buffalo.
Formations: The Panthers went three-wide with two backs. Buffalo was in a 4-3 with a linebacker showing blitz over right tackle and corners in press coverage. One safety was deep, and the other six yards off the line of scrimmage over right tackle.
What happened: Delhommed faked a handoff to Stewart and threw over the middle for receiver Steve Smith at the Buffalo 44. The ball was high, Smith leaped and tipped it, and Byrd intercepted the carom. Byrd returned the pick to the Carolina 27.
How it happened: The Bills rushed four linemen and Delhomme had plenty of time to throw. He spotted Smith, who beat Drayton Florence on a simple drag route across the middle. Delhomme again failed to step into the throw, using mostly his arm. The ball sailed high. Byrd was again late in coverage, standing four yards behind Smith as the ball arrived. But the tip went right to him.
The result: The Bills had a first down inside the Carolina 30. Buffalo's most effective drive of the day, six plays and 27 yards, then yielded a touchdown pass from Ryan Fitzpatrick to Lee Evans. (An egregious roughing the passer penalty inside the 10 may have cost Carolina four points). The Bills now led by two scores.
Situation: Buffalo ball, fourth-and1, at the Buffalo 45. 5:30 to play in the fourth quarter. 17-9 Bills.
Formations: Both teams lined up expecting a Buffalo punt. The Panthers set up a return for Kenneth Moore.
What happened: Brian Moorman hit a line-drive punt that traveled 40 yards. Moore settled under it at the Carolina 15, but muffed it. He dove on the ball but it squirted free. The Bills recovered at the 20 and advanced it three yards.
How it happened: Because of the punt's short hang time, Moore had a lot of space up the middle on a potential return. The ball hit his hands, then bounced off his shoulder pads and fell to the ground. Moore's head was pointed straight ahead as he attempted to catch the ball. Perhaps he took his eyes off the ball when he saw all that running room.
The result: Buffalo took over at the Carolina 17. The Bills then got one first down, forced the Panthers to use their final timeout and kicked a 20-yard field goal on the first play after the two-minute warning to go up again by two scores.
Situation: Second-and-14 at the Buffalo 49. 1:39 to play in the fourth. 20-9 Buffalo.
Formations: The Panthers lined up in the shotgun with three receivers and one back. Buffalo was in a prevent defense with four linemen and one linebacker. Three corners were in press coverage.
What happened: Delhomme pumped, then threw deep down the middle for Barnidge. George Wilson intercepted the overthrown pass inside the Buffalo 10.
How it happened: Delhomme again had no pressure, but again he failed to step into the throw. Throwing off his back foot, he overthrew Barnidge by several yards. Barnidge was well-covered and Wilson was playing centerfield. He easily picked it off.
The result: Game over.
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What can go wrong, did go wrong.
You described Jake’s 3 overthrows well — his mechanics were all wrong on those, and the Bills’ safeties got lucky picks to pad their stats. Odd that Jake threw a perfectly led pass to Barnidge down the rt sideline, and another to Smith in stride — you’d think if a QB can do that, he’d not be so off target down the middle as he was.
The 4th and 1 calls baffled me — on the first, I was discouraged that a FG was called in (and of course, it failed maybe BECAUSE it was the wrong call — we could’ve established dominance and sent a positive message of trust in our OL had we gained the yd and kept that drive going — instead, zero.) On the second, the play call was atrocious, running into a 9man front, without a hint of motion — but if you’re gonna call the play at all, run it over Keydrick Vincent and Jeff Otah, who exhibit much greater leverage at the point of attack than do Gross and Wharton. STILL the play could’ve succeeded had Hoover been leading through the hole, as he always moves the first defender to the gap — Fiammetta has NEVER done it once; he is impotent as a blocker. Result, Stewart was DOA at the LOS.
The game surely swung, as you described, on those few plays. A 4th and 1 should be picked up every time against such a poor run defense, a FG should be made, a punt should be caught, and a pass to an open receiver should be thrown correctly. But — in a perfect storm — none happened.
by bigdavis on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jake has to be the worst QB to ever be so great
I haven’t looked it up, but I bet Jake is the Panther’s all time QBs leader in not only positive stats, but negative stats as well. Guarantee you he leads them in total yards, TDs, playoff wins, INTs, turn overs and sacks!
He’ll go down in history as the best sucky QB to ever play the game!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Oct 26, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And Brett Favre has thrown the most INTs ever too. The reason that Jake holds all the records is because he has attempted alot more passes and played in many more games than anyone else. Although some might be surprised to learn that Jakes INT% is lower than Beuerleins and Jake will also never catch Beuerlein in sacks.
by R-F on Oct 27, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Jake as a person, but as a quarterback
Wait a minute, didn’t someone else say something similar?
Nah, but in all seriousness watching Delhomme attempt to throw to his intended target can be tough to watch. If he isn’t already staring down the receiver he wants to throw as soon as he hikes the ball, he throws flat footed and rarely ever seems to step into his throws.
by SmithnCompany on Oct 26, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly the new QB coach was working on his mechanics in the offseason
He very well may have screwed him up even worse
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by southtunnel on Oct 26, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
44 passing plays
That’s all you need to know, you don’t even need the final score. Just tell me we threw 44 times and I know it’s a loss.
Then I’ll blame the players, and all will be well. :)
by Cyberjag on Oct 26, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was complaining the whole game about us not running more
You are playing the league’s worst running defense, but one of the better passing defenses. And you have potentially one of the best running games, and one of the worst passing games. And you friggin pass 44 times! Is Fox out of his mind?
We probably could have won this game if we didn’t even use a Quarterback.
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by southtunnel on Oct 26, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
You think it’s hard to run on eight in the box, try 11.
by Flowing Willow on Oct 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lesson in sarcasm please?
The point being, almost all of their points were because of our QBs mistakes
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by southtunnel on Oct 27, 2009 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
but how many would they have scored on a defense that couldn’t get off the field because the offense gained a grand total of four yards in three rushes and had to punt. It’s a team game, we win and lose as a team, Delhomme may help us lose, but he is not alone.
by Flowing Willow on Oct 27, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your point is???
That we shouldn’t have run more on the league’s worst running defense because we win and lose as a team? What?
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by southtunnel on Oct 27, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is
QB is a need, you need one on the field, you just can’t go Wildcat all game. The QB position is not the only thing that screwed the game.
Good grief I just realized how much both of us sound like MP!!!! : D
by Flowing Willow on Oct 28, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice analysis Ryan...
Jake has to have something wrong with his mechanics since he is overthrowing every time he misses
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by Jaxon on Oct 27, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Overthrows
I absolutely agree. I figured it was all due to the elbow. Whether it’s because he forgot his footwork while he was idle, or maybe he doesn’t have enuogh snap at the end of his delivery when he has to “press” a pass, it is definite that something is wrong.
by panthersnbraves on Oct 27, 2009 4:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peppers admits to not playing to his potential
I posted the article in Fanshots… http://www.catscratchreader.com/fanshots
Pep delivered a very thorough 5 minute speech to his teammates about his lack of effort. He said he went back over the tape of his performance in the first few games, and realized he had been making excuses for not always giving his best effort. Pretty out of character for the guy, but it could mean good things to come. Sounds like Beason’s heart to heart paid off.
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by southtunnel on Oct 27, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear
And perhaps this could just be another baby step toward a longterm extension, which I know a lot of Panthers fans would be hoping for.
by SmithnCompany on Oct 27, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jake's Mechanics Are Horrible
Ryan, you wrote the same thing I’ve been saying for years. Jake’s mechanics are terrible. He always throws off his back foot like he believes his arm strength is so great. Throwing off his back foot is what makes his passes sail high most of the time. Even if Jake isn’t benched for the rest of the season, he should sit for a few series or something so he can get his head in the game. Fox continues to go with Jake because there’s not much behind him. Moore doesn’t have a lot of experience and AJ Feeley is another team’s cast-away. Hopefully the Panther coaches have developed Moore and he’s ready to play. Since Fox staked the team’s record on Jake and stayed loyal to him, if we miss the playoffs, Fox should be let go as well. He’s had enough time as the HC and it’s time for a change.
by Mac_357 on Oct 27, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When do we find out whos gonna start at QB this sunday?
by jay23 on Oct 27, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My assumption is it will be announced Thursday.
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by James The Aussie on Oct 27, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
I really hope Matt Moore gets the chance to start..he cant do much worse..this team has way too much talent to be 2-4 right now and I think we can still go on a nasty streak if all phases of game start clicking and if we stop turning the ball over..
Oh btw James do watch cricket?
by jay23 on Oct 27, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure do, watch in online when Summer rolls around (in Australia)… also played through high school.
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by James The Aussie on Oct 27, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh nice...Congrats to Australia on winning the Champions Trophy..
Yeah I’m a big cricket fan as well..Although I was disappointed during Champions Trophy b/c I didn’t like how they set up the tournament but hopefully its set up better during the World Cup..
by jay23 on Oct 27, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow… you don’t normally find many cricket fans… and thank you.
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by James The Aussie on Oct 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
They’re all over the place here in SA James. You’re just on the wrong continent.
by Flowing Willow on Oct 28, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt, no doubt.
Pity the Aussies always whoop the rest of the world.
Our players are imbued with convict powers!
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by James The Aussie on Oct 28, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs





















