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Random Rumblings from a Panthers Fan

I knew the writing was on the wall after week one and by the end of week three pretty much new it was a guarantee, yet with three winnable game the next three week there was hope. Now after yesterday the rest of the season is like watching a bad movie for the second time and knowing how it's going to end, you can't help but watch and hope that this time it changes.

  • Mr Optimist (James the Aussie) did a great job in describing how I feel about Jake Delhomme, which makes it even harder to say he's should be done as the Panthers starting QB. It's time for John Fox to see were this team is headed and open the playing field for either A.J. Feeley or Matt Moore. Personally I would like to see what Moore can do on the field. Granted most of our perceptions of him are from the end of the 2007 season and I think it would be unfair to Moore to expect that type of play out of him. But the fact remains, I want to see someone other than Delhomme behind center. Beside the fact that he isn't getting the job done, I don't believe he can get the job done any more. It's time to let someone else have a turn.
  • Even though Dante Wesley's suspension is over and we are a week removed from that horrible play, I still feel bad for him. He doesn't get much attention and doesn't deserve to be known as the player that took a cheap shot. Fox did stand up for him last week and took some of the blame by saying that he (Fox) scolded Wesley for being faked out on an earlier punt return.
  • Speaking of players I feel bad for, I feel horrible for Kenneth Moore. During the preseason he showed so much potential on the field. He was put in on a punt return near the end of the game to hopefully spark a big play that didn't turn out so well. I'm glad Steve Smith talked to him after the play and I hope he can put it behind him. If only he could find some playing time as a receiver and redeem himself. But we don't use 3 WR sets very often which limits his chances. I would like to see the Panthers try some new things the rest of the season, besides changing QB, how about 3 WR sets with a TE and a singe RB. All of the TE can catch, some just better than others. Maybe because we haven't seen a decent paying game this season, but I am itching to see what all of our offensive weapons can do with a QB that can find the open receiver hit the open receiver.

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  • If Fox keeps his job at the end of the year his first order of business must be to fire the special team coach. Their play has been nothing but horrendous most of the year. Allowing punt and kickoff returns, not finding the reliable PR/KR, and having to use two roster spots for two kickers just doesn't make since. I know Kasay has been with the team since the beginning and he's signed through 2012, but I think it's time to start over with special teams.
  • I wonder if losing QB coach McCoy was a bigger loss than we realized. Sure Delhomme had a meltdown in the Arizona game last year, but I wonder if the switch to Rip Scherer had anything to do with the lack of a Delhomme rebound. Sure Scherer coached Derek Anderson as a one year wonder but really what has he done. Just look at how well both Anderson and Brady Quinn are playing. Right now I can't say I would want either of them over Delhomme (although we do have a better supporting cast than Cleveland does).
  • Meeks system seem to work when we don't give the ball up in our own territory. I don't have the stats, but I think it might be interesting to see how many long drives the Panthers have given up.
  • With next season most likely absence of a salary cap, I wonder how freely Jerry Richardson will open his wallet. That could play a big role in how we rebuild for next year.

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Nice post LittleKing

As for Richardson opening his wallet, I honestly don’t think his pockets are deep enough to compete with the Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones and Ziggy Wilf’s of the NFL.

Great point about QB Coach McCoy… ever heard of the term ‘if it aint broke, don’t fix it’ well, Scherer came in and made a big to do of changing Jake’s mechanics and making him more mobile in the pocket. I’m sure changing thinks up when you’ve been a 6 season starter doesn’t help your cause.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Oct 26, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Have to disagree 10000%

The LAST thing I want to see Davidson do is tinker with more wide receiver sets or anything that involves passing the ball a lot. I think we need to do whatever we can to limit his involvement with the offense, just give him a few plays and let the talent take us where it will. And make most of them runs.

I don’t always pay a ton of attention to what the OC is doing, but among the ones I’ve watched he’s clearly the worst, and it isn’t even close.

by Cyberjag on Oct 26, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I understand

and I can’t argue with the fact that these plays would have to go through Davidson and it makes me questions my own statement. But I feel that there is quite a bit of talent on the receiving side of our offense that doesn’t get used, I would like to see who can play and who can’t. Now if comes down to winning versus my idea, I would go with winning every time, but like I’ve said a few times, I want to see them play.

by LittleKing on Oct 26, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only gripe I have with the D so far is the lack of turnovers. We only have either 2 or 3 INT’s so far this year. They need to cause a few more of those to occur…. although Delhomme might just give it right back to them.

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by Ivan459 on Oct 26, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

"...I think it might be interesting to see how many long drives the Panthers have given up."

Yes! Me too!

So let’s see.

Game: Drives > 50 yards
1 (Phi): 2 drives (10 plays for 74 yards [td]; 9 for 50 [turnover])
2 (Atl): 4 drives (2 for 53 [td]; 14 for 80 [td]; 5 for 56 [td]; 14 for 71 [turnover])
3 (Dal): 4 drives (10 for 58 [missed fg]; 8 for 51 [punt]; 5 for 58 [td]; 14 for 73 [fg])
4 (Was): 1 drive (10 for 60 [fg])
5 (TB): 2 plays (5 for 59 [td]; 11 for 66 [missed fg])
6 (Buf): 1 drive (5 for 55 [fg])

So we definitely saw some problems with long drives against Atlanta and Dallas, but our defense still did well to keep them from scoring too much given the yardage allowed. But we haven’t seen long drives before or since. The problem is that we’re giving up scoring drives of less than 50 yards thanks to turnovers and special teams malfeasance.

In fact, by my unofficial count, I rang up 13 scoring “drives” of less than 30 yards that we’ve given up so far, whether from kick returns, pick-sixes, or turnovers where they start in the red zone. That’s one fewer than the 14 long drives our defense has given up, but only 9 of the long drives put points on the board.

by r3 on Oct 26, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch

That last ‘stat’ of giving up 13 scoring drives of less than 30yds from KRs, pick-6s or turnovers in the redzone hurts a bit. sighs

by boywonderncsu on Oct 26, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The time it took to replace Maake is telling

it’s only once or twice a game, since we got the new DT’s.

by panthersnbraves on Oct 27, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't we have a 16 play drive to beat TB?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Oct 27, 2009 6:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

These are drives that our defense has allowed...

not drives that we’ve executed.

Honestly I’m not sure what these stats mean. Our defense is stopping people effectively, but if you’re an OC, why would you ever take chances? John Fox always says “A punt isn’t a bad play,” and if you’re punting the ball to Jake Delhomme, you’ve got a real good chance of getting it back in great field position.

This is a team sport, but it looks for the moment like our defense is putting us in a position to win. The same cannot be said of the offense.

by r3 on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's sadder than benching our best QB in team history?

That we all know what kind of guy Jake is. And if Matt Moore starts Sunday, Jake will unselfishly be his biggest supporter on the sideline… Really sucks the way things have turned out for him

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Oct 26, 2009 4:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What a nightmare Jake's living now.

His worst fears have come true. Howe I hope he can see some redemption before he’s done.

by bigdavis on Oct 26, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This week against Arz would be a great time for redemption!

Of course if Jake did stick it to them, that would mean him continuing to be our starter.

On the other hand, how terrible would it be to have the same team shipwreck your career twice!

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Oct 26, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

how long will jake sit

this depends on how well the next qb plays. but i was looking at the NFL stats, and derek anderson has a qb rating of 40.6. i once said we should trade for anderson. imagine how brady quinn feels backing up that guy. it’s all mangini’s fault. if moore has a qb rating that low, he won’t play for too long. i also said many good things about getting josh johnson to come in and compete, but his qb rating is worse than jake’s, too. qb rating isn’t everything, but a qb rating of 50 is horrible. for all of you that hated on jake’s contract extension, at least we’re not paying him jamarcus russell money – qb rating of 47.

by usana_gaines on Oct 26, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

In defense of Anderson and Quinn

I have a distinct feeling Cleveland is a black hole for talent. Good players come in and are reduced to mediocrity until they can escape.

- Kellen Winslow has been resurgent on a poor Bucs team.
- Braylon Edwards has turned up for the Jets.

Plus, look at the Browns now… who do they have to catch a pass? John Cribbs is a return guy who’s being used as a starting receiver. I just don’t buy that Anderson and Quinn are complete failures.

I remember when the Chargers selected Eli Manning #1 overall because they though Drew Brees was done, when they didn’t have a reciever.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winslow and Edwards were both beasts for the Browns, I’m not sure those examples fit.

Mangini is one of the worst head coaches in recent history. Romeo was also bad, but Mangini has been taking it to a new level.

by the bomb dot com on Oct 26, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

edwards

edwards was the league leader in drops the last two years. he dropped everything. three years ago, though, when derek anderson went to the pro bowl, edwards had 15 TDs. winslow was a beast a couple years ago, too. both of them had their best season with jeff davidson as the OC.

by usana_gaines on Oct 27, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cleveland's not a black hole for coaches, though

" Asked if new QB coach Rip Scherer’s increased emphasis on fundamentals have changed the kind of player he is, Delhomme said: "It’s easy to say no, but in the whole body of work, things haven’t gone the way they have been the last so many years

“I think Rip’s done a great job, he’s a tireless worker. Him and Jeff (Davidson) have a history together, so there’s a continuity there between those guys”

(their history was Cleveland.)

by bigdavis on Oct 26, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Broncos fan here

I wanted to ask you guys how much you thought Mike McCoy’s move to Denver (he’s our OC) had to do with Delhomme’s persistent awful play this year and Kyle Orton’s superb play for the Broncos. It seems like Delhomme suddenly can’t go a single game without throwing multiple picks and meanwhile Orton has thrown 1 int all year.

"Horton is win." -Horvil Tiki 4/13/2009
Jedi McD is my hero.

by jack_ on Oct 26, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Rip Scherer, our new QB coach worked a little too much with Jake in my estimation.

That being said, I think crediting Delhomme’s fall and Orton’s meteoric rise is a little too much for Mike McCoy. You got a great co-ordinator, but in reality I think Orton is benefitting from have two stellar receivers in Denver (Marshall and Royal) who he never had in Chicago, as Jay Cutler’s failings are proving now.

Good luck to your team, I’ve always been partial to the Broncos in the west, and I must admit I have a slight man crush for McDaniels.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Oct 26, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

It’s amazing what a supporting cast can do for a guy like Orton. I mean look at Jake… Last year he won 12 games but he had 2 dominating RBs, an all-pro WR, a veteran WR and 3 capable TE targets… But this year he only has… well… OK maybe not the best example.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Oct 26, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

I see what you did there ST ;)

by boywonderncsu on Oct 27, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t honestly think McCoy had that much to do with Orton’s success- as you point out his supporting cast in Denver is vastly superior to what he had in Chicago. Josh McDaniels is also an awesome coach, and he’s been getting the rest of the credit in Orton’s case.
I don’t know much about McCoy- he’s been pretty much silent here in Denver- but Delhomme has crashed so badly this year that it seemed like there might be something there.

"Horton is win." -Horvil Tiki 4/13/2009
Jedi McD is my hero.

by jack_ on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

orton

i always liked orton, and he had a winning record in chicago. his best games weren’t as good as grossman’s, but he never had mistake filled games, either. i think if he was still in chicago, he’d still be playing well…maybe not as well as he is now, but he’d be doing pretty good. he’s always been pretty smart, and i liked him in college. he reminds me of drew brees in that you didn’t see his real skills his first couple years, and then he got replaced.

by usana_gaines on Oct 27, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing Orton has in common with Breeze

Is that he hasn’t lost a game yet this season. We knew NO offense was capable of this, but I am still shocked by McDaniels.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Oct 27, 2009 6:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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