Cat Scratch Reader: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: USA Today / SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings for October

Ron Meeks hired for Defensive Coordinator!

A15525221232489408a_medium

News just broke a couple of hours ago. After days of waiting and sweating with anticipation, the wait is over. The Panthers have a new Defensive Coordinator. Buckle up your seatbelts folks, we've got a good one here. Ron Meeks comes over from Indianapolis. Under Ron Meeks, the Colts finished in the top seven in points allowed 5 out of 6 times for the six years he served on their team. The Colts also finished off the year ranked 11th in total defense.

I'm happy and elated. A guy that has proven himself to be successful has left Tony Dungy and joined our team. He ran the Tampa 2 in Indianapolis, and whether or not we will convert to this defense is unknown at the time. Either way I think we can all expect for the defense to be twice as fast when training camp arrives and they start to do their thing.

John Fox released the following in a statement

"We are very pleased to add Ron to our coaching staff as defensive coordinator. He is an outstanding teacher who has enjoyed great success as a coordinator in the league and brings a strong background of coaching championship defenses."

I know that some of you guys would have liked to have given someone a promotion from the Giants or Steelers, but I think this is the best that Panther fans could have hoped for. Here is a guy that has spent many years in this league, and he has a proven record of success. Our defense is in good hands now.

Poll
How do you feel about the Panthers hiring Ron Meeks as defensive coordinator?
Great move, he's a proven winner and I like the Tampa 2
27 votes
Seems to be a good move but I'm not sure
39 votes
Not enthused, I was hoping for a bigger name
2 votes
Not a good move, the Tampa 2 won't work in Carolina
3 votes
I don't know what to think except "Is Peppers going to stay now?"
13 votes

84 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs  |  Comment 71 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Wow. This is great. Meeks was being considered for head coach in NYJ, and now he is our DC. Anyone know why he left Indy? I couldn’t find it on Google.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jan 26, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

New Head Coach

New HC Caldwell controls his coaching staffstaff and there’s some speculation that Dungy’s fierce loyalty keep some guys around when they didn’t really deserve it. The ST coordinator (very deservingly) got the boot when Caldwell took over.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Jan 27, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm excited

hopefully he can get the D turned around.

He has been successful in Indy (that SB win where the D finally woke up late in the season), and he could bring the Tampa-2 to Carolina.

He’s shown a willingness to switch DTs in Indy (Corey Simon to Booger McFarland, which led them to the SB), and has worked well with guys like Freeney, Sanders, Bethea & their LBs.

by UtesFan89 on Jan 26, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No he wasn't

Most of the coaching and drafting on D when the Colts won the super bowl came from John Teernlink (DL Coach), Alan Williams (DB coach), & Tony Dungy. Ron Meeks sucked when he was in Indy and barley did anything to help the team. Hell even the Colts LB’s coach did more then him. That’s why no one on the team cared when he resigned. Just like no one on the team cared when Mora left.

So I guess you may want to scratch the Panters making the playoffs next seaosn.

Go Colts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by PatsR18*andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Feb 2, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ill give some more insight into Meeks

Though his schemes were nothing special, I do admit they were effective, however that kind of all falls back on the personnel. When the Colts had the right players, the defense was easily top five, when they dont have the personnel, they are average at best. fro example, when we had Ed Johnson at DT and a healthy Freeney and Mathis, the defense played lights out. When Freeney went down, the pass rush went with him. If the Panthers run a cover 2 style defense to the one the Colts ran, you better have a stout D-line that can provide a consistent pass rush and an offense to compliment it. If the offense isn’t their to compliment it, you better hope your D is stout against the run as well as the pass. That might be the difference in how Meeks runs your defense. In indy, he had an offense and the run was expendable to an extent, as teams were forced to throw and play catch up allowing our ends to rush the QB, masking our smaller defensive players.

by metal_militia on Jan 26, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The key seems to be the DL

which is the Panthers biggest weakness at the moment. I bet we can guess what the emphasis will be this offseason.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How do replace an alreadt weak DL, WITH it's star player leaving?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jan 27, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Answer that

and you could possibly coach

by LittleKing on Jan 27, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell of a move by the Panthers

He’s a proven winner and brings a strong defensive mind to the team.

by ChipperTeixeira89 on Jan 26, 2009 11:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm excited

I have to think this is an upgrade from Trgovac regardless. The D-Line still needs to be built up, but the issues in the Secondary seemed to be scheme and missed assignments, not as much personnel.

by panthersnbraves on Jan 27, 2009 8:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Seems like a good move

more scheming should help the Panthers. We’ll need to see if we have the personnel to run it the way he wants to

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

the question is...

does this move tempt Peppers to stay? Meeks has had success with a couple DEs up there who are less talented than Peppers. I think Meeks can offer what Peppers is looking for. I don’t think Peppers really wants to play in a 3-4, but it was an excuse to try to leave. I really don’t know if this has any effect on Peppers wishes or not, but maybe Meeks will talk him into staying.

I also think Meeks took advantage of his players strengths, and can get more out of Lucas and other DBs. He seems to be more of a motivator than Trgovac. The only reason I say that is because it seems the Colts have had fewer games where their defense looked unprepared.

by usana_gaines on Jan 27, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly.............

We really need Peppers to stay, but it wouldn’t matter what defense we use, Delhomme is going to choke. He does it every game that counts. Our defense had nothing to do with him throwing 7 picks in the biggest game of the season. Our defense held down the line and he had plenty of time, but he choked. I think if we got rid of him and went after Matt Ryan or even Matt Cassel or Mike Vick, Carolina would have a much better chance. We already have an awesome offense with Smith, Stewart, Williams, Otah and Muhammed. Jakes numbers suck 3,288 yards, 15 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and so does he. Our defense will only be more creative with Meeks and to me that is a good thing.

by Carmani2 on Jan 27, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Delhomme is going to choke. He does it every game that counts.

Really? Name two.

Clearly he had the worst game of his professional career in the biggest game of the year. Bit it wasn’t the biggest game of his career. Did he choke in the Super Bowl? In any of the 2003 playoffs, or the 2005 playoffs? Did he choke against San Diego, or Green Bay, or Tampa, or Denver, or the Giants this year? Nope. Up until he disintegrated against Arizona, I’d say he was choke-proof.

Sure, our defense beat Oakland when he stunk it up there, and he had an up-and-down year, but lots more ups than downs. I’d take him over 70% of the starting QBs in the league.
 
But the notion that we should “go after” Matt Ryan (first quarterback taken last year, under contract for five more years) or Mike Vick (dog-slaughterer, out of football indefinitely) is just… baffling. I can’t even wrap my head around either of those suggestions.

by r3 on Jan 27, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree R3

I am definitely not a Jake fan but to think the Panthers could “go after” Matt Ryan IS baffling. This is not fantasy football. Mike Vick couldn’t throw the ball when he played for the Falcons, I can only imagine what Steve Smith would say the first time Vick one hopped a slant to him. Matt Cassel is not going to be worth the money either. I really don’t think Jake is the greatest QB in the league but the team has much bigger problems (D-line, secondary play, Peppers/Gross contracts) and Jake will do for the time being I think.

by bengoodfella on Jan 27, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oakland, Detroit & 'Zona this past season.

Though Oakland & Detroit weren’t really big games.

Go after Matt Ryan? They wouldn’t trade him for nearly anything.
Cassel sucks.
Vick is worse. And stupid.

Delhomme is our guy for the coming season.
After that is still TBD, but the options this year are really depressing even if you are considering a change.

by UtesFan89 on Jan 27, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2003 playoffs

 You said name 2 games he choked on well one was Panthers vs Cardinals and two is Panthers vs Seahawks, 2006. Jake Delhomme completed 15 of 35 passes for 196 yards and threw three interceptions. Ok so that was only half as bad as this year 34-14 and 33-13. But needless to say, Delhomme chokes. He hasn’t been the same since 2003-2004, his first year, when he did outstanding. Now, I will admit, I took it to the extreme with Vick, but that was out of desperation for the panthers. But Matt Ryan, is what Carolina needs. In 5 years, we can compare the stats of Delhomme and Ryan.

by Carmani2 on Jan 29, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can already tell you Ryans will be better

Ryan = #3 overall pick
Delhomme = UDFA from NFL Europa

Ryan is already a better passer, no argument there.

At least the Seattle game was after Jake had already guided two wins on the road over the Giants and Bears. When I think of that Seattle game I think of no running game and no WR except Smith. Jake was trying to force the ball in that game but he really didn’t have much of a choice after Goings went down.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 29, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why are we bringing back up that horid nightmare!

I soo wan’t to disagree. Jake has had some great games, taken us farther than any other QB… AND hands down has been the best QB in this teams history. But HOW could he play they way he did in THAT game???

sorry this was for a blog 2 weeks ago

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jan 27, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You were making a decent point...

until you said to go after Ryan or Vick. Neither are in the scope of reality for the Panthers. Jake is now 5-3 in the playoffs and I’m sure there are Pro Bowl QB’s who would love to have that record. Drew Brees had great stats but still went home for January. I would argue winning counts more than stats.

Welcome to the blog Carmani.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jake vs Manning

I would rather have Peyton Manning, naturally, but Jake does have a winning record in the playoffs, and Manning doesn’t.

by usana_gaines on Jan 28, 2009 4:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but the Colts aren’t going to offer us Peyton for Jake (or even Jake & Peppers). If they did, I’d bite… even if Jake has a better playoff record. I mean, Manning has a ring too…

by UtesFan89 on Jan 28, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wonder if Meeks can turn Godfrey into the next Bob Sanders?

Lord we need a play maker in the secondary!

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

that would be awesome

Not that equal size in two players can equal the same production but …

Charles Godfrey 5’ 11" 205 lbs
Bob Sanders 5’ 8" 206 lbs.

by LittleKing on Jan 27, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that

but Bob Sanders and Charles Godfrey went to the University of Iowa. Other than that there are not a whole lot of glaring similarities. I would like to see Godfrey turn into a Bob Sanders type player but I am not sure that is going to happen.

by bengoodfella on Jan 27, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure thats not lost on Godfrey.

He will surely be excited to have Sanders recent coach to learn from.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

reminded me of a add-on to my answer on your question at Stampede Blue

Sanders cried when Dungy retired. He didn’t when Meeks left.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Jan 27, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Godfrey wasn't the beast Sanders was at Iowa

but he was very good and I’m happy (though a bit surprised) he had success so quickly.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Jan 27, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We have play makers in the secondary

They just look bad because we don’t have a consistent pass rush. With Peppers leaving Fox better have DLine as the top off season priority.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jan 27, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Darin Gannt

asks a pertinent question on his blog:

It will be interesting to see how his style meshes with head coach John Fox’s, as Meeks’ defensive lines have generally been populated by smaller, quicker linemen than the Panthers have employed

.

If its true that Trgovac was unhappy with Fox’ meddling in the defense then that might be an issue at some point. Hopefully Meeks will win out and deploy his scheme and keep Fox from having too much say. I hope they have talked this through already.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Select Grade: B

I like the selection, but do have reservations on if he can improve the D. They shouldn’t get any worse under Meeks so that is a positive. I agree it does comeback to how much involvement Fox will have.

by LittleKing on Jan 27, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am with you

I don’t have an idea really of what impact Meeks will have. Whether it is running the Tampa Cover 2 (which has soft zones and generally little blitzing…hooray!) or whether Fox will actually be running the defense. As long as we play to the strengths of our players, I really don’t care what defense we run, as long as it is effective. We could run the 46 defense for all I care as long as the Panthers win.

by bengoodfella on Jan 27, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't emphasize

enough how crappy the game plan for the Arizona game was. Probably one of the worst defense game plans/implementation of a game plan I have seen. It also happen to coincide with Jake having a horrible day. Whether that was Fox or Trgo that was responsible for the defensive melt down remains to be seen.

by bengoodfella on Jan 27, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What was worse was how simple Arizona's game plan was.

Their game plan consisted for the entire first half : Find a way to get Larry open.

That was it. That was all they were doing for the entire first half. Wouldn’t you know that Larry goes over 150 yards?

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jan 27, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I remember sitting in the stands just aghast at how horrible the secondary played in that game. It was like the Panthers had just learned 20 minutes before the game Fitzgerald would be playing. I found it then, and still find it, inexcusable.

by bengoodfella on Jan 27, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still can't get over that crossing pattern they kept running to Fitz

When the offense completes the same play multiple times, at one point two plays in a row, then you can’t help but question the coaching.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, the tampa 2

tends to leave openings in the middle of the field.

by UtesFan89 on Jan 27, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

cover 2 does

but the Tampa two drops the MLB into the deep middle. It leaves small creases in the middle, but not the big hole a cover-2 does. It also has a hole behind the CBs in front of the safeties and is softer against the run since the MLB is dropping deep and the LBs have bigger coverage assignments so are more pass focused.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Jan 27, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

thanks for that!

Wasn’t sure what the differences were between the 2.

by UtesFan89 on Jan 27, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THe blitzing isn't as necessary

because it depends on the DL getting pressure (which ours doesn’t seem to do).
Plus, if you blitz a LB… that leaves a spot in the zone open.

This offseason has to be about
1- resigning Gross (& Peppers?)
2- rebuilding the DL
3- finding another WR (unless they think Jarrett can be the guy for some reason)
4- adding depth along the OL & maybe in the secondary

by UtesFan89 on Jan 27, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't the Tampa 2 rely on zone blitzes?

Many times coming from the safety position? Seems I remember seeing Sanders in the backfield a good bit.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think I was thinking more of a straight Cover 2

by UtesFan89 on Jan 27, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's the other scheme the Colts run

8 in the box with a cover 3 behind it. It’s their response to teams that just want to grind up the middle all game.

Here’s the Tampa-2

It’s that simple. Add some DL stunts and that’s the play the Colts run the majority of the time. The idea is if you run it well, you’ll get stops even if the QB knows the coverage.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Jan 27, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Shake

that helps clear some things up. We appreciate the info.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Time to find 4 guys

on the DL who can rush the QB.

I like Charles Johnson at DE… but the other 3 spots.
Well maybe 2, if you use Kemo to stop the run.

by UtesFan89 on Jan 27, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Me No Likey

I just don’t have any sense of excitement about this selection. Zip. And here’s why.

Close your eyes for a moment. Think about the Indy defense. You’ve all seen numerous Indy games. Think back. What is it that gets you excited? Anything? Freeney (one of the most one-dimensional players I’ve ever seen) and his dreaded spin move? Okay, I’ll give you that; ever seen him make a tackle in the running game? I haven’t. Anything else? A run defense predicated on the health of an undersized safety? Really, you get excited about that? Really?

Of course not. That’s my point. There is nothing, and I mean nothing, to get excited about here. Sure, everybody wants to lay on Trgovac for his soft zones and the lack of QB pressure. What people fail to realize is that, during the six year span with him as our coordinator, the Panthers were the fifth best defense in the league. You know who’s not ahead of us on that list? Indy.

I hope all you excited people are ready for soft zones for stretches so long it’ll make you want to punch your momma. And just so you know, Indy has been consistently worse at getting to the QB than the Panthers were, Freeney or no. Over the past three years, we’ve averaged 6 more sacks per season than Indy.

Now, in all fairness, anyone who can make Jason David look like a player deserves a chance. But let’s not get carried away.

If you’ve got something else to get excited about, I’m willing to listen. But right now… color me disappointed.

by r3 on Jan 27, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree

I would also add to your argument that Indy has been able to cover a lot of shortfall of D from their powerful Offense. Something Meeks won’t be able to rely on.

But I also don’t think it’s a horrible pick. Fox, in reality is, never going to run a smash mouth D and with that in mind I think they can put together a good game plan next year.

by LittleKing on Jan 27, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I should say, At least I hope they can.

by LittleKing on Jan 27, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I will get excited when they get rid of Jake and get a real quarterback so the offensive can really show their stuff!

by Carmani2 on Jan 27, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I'm okay with Jake

Never thought I’d say it after the Arizona game, but I am okay with Jake behind center for another year. Granted if there was a better option worth perusing (taking into account value versus quality) then sure, but right now I’m not sure there is.

by LittleKing on Jan 27, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There isn't a better option.

No one in the draft is a better option than Delhomme (at least they won’t be for a couple of years… all of them, starting with Stafford/Sanchez and going down, have major question marks), and the FA list is headed by guys like Cassel (ugh), Collins & Warner (old and more likely to have the 3 or 4-int games)… and then unproven guys like Orlovsky, Fitzpatrick, Boller, Grossman, etc.

For better or for worse… Delhomme is our guy next year.

by UtesFan89 on Jan 27, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think of Bob Sanders and...

the way the defense played in their SB run. We all assumed the Colt defense would be their downfall but they played above their heads or at least well enough to win it all. Its a very similar scenario to this years Cardinals.

I guess I’m not thinking so much about the Indy Tampa 2 as I am the Bucs Tampa 2 or maybe just a Tampa 2 in general. If you wanted change in the defense then you have to admit this is about as radical of a move as John Fox would ever get. You really didn’t expect a 3-4 coach did you?

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 27, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3-4

who would bring up such silly ideas? j/k

by LittleKing on Jan 27, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if you've never been excited about the Colts D

then you’ve never seen the D protecting a lead late when the opposing team has to pass.

Freeney and Mathis unleashed, 7 back in coverage denying anything deep. The QB has to drain off all their precious time left on the clock with dink in dunks, throw into coverage, or get crushed (and a little over half of the time have the ball stripped) by Freeney/Mathis.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Jan 27, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly

we don’t have Freeney/Mathis combo.

by UtesFan89 on Jan 27, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I kinda agree with R3

When I think of Indy a strong D is not what I think of. I think of them as another bend but don’t break let Peyton win the game. I really wanted someone that was going to bring the hammer. We might give up the big play now and again, but at least they knew they were in a game. It seems to me the soft zone has run its course. Todays offenses have figured it out so it is time to move on, Meeks may prove to be just what the Panthers needed in which case I will gladly have my crow over rice but I don’t think so.

by SouthernNorseman on Jan 27, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

disagree with LittleKing

Our offense proved to be very explosive down the stretch, averaging 32 points a game over the final 7 games. You and r3 may be right about Meeks, but I think our offense proved more potent down the stretch than Indy’s 27 points per game over the same span. We outscored the Colts 414 to 377 this year. Not only that, but we gave up 329 pts to the Colts 298. I think our defense is more talented than the Colts, and our offense as well. I couldn’t say that prior to last season, and if that is what LittleKing is talking about, well who can argue that? I agree with you guys that Meeks isn’t going to turn the defense into the Steel Curtain, but I’m excited because I think he can take players closer to their potential. I think Freeney is not as good as Peppers, and neither is Mathis, but those guys looked like All-Pros up there. I think Bob Sanders is a phenom that Meeks shouldn’t get credit for. Either way, he may run similar defenses to what Trgo did, but I think the difference will be a more explosive Panthers offense next season (not because of Meeks, though) and more desire and motivation from the defense.

I really don’t expect the actual play calling on either side of the ball to be too much different, though, cuz it’s still going to be John Fox football.

by usana_gaines on Jan 27, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You make very good points

I’m not completely sold our our O being that explosive next year, I hope so, but not 100% sold. But your point is still valid. Basically what I meant by that statement is what if our defense was to falter, would feel more confident with Payton behind center than Delhomme?

Also, I’m not disappointed, but I’m not overly excited either. Time will gauge my excitement.

by LittleKing on Jan 27, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not too much different

Since we’re not talking about the Lions, but rather a 12-4 team, Division Winner, First Round bye, almost had Number 1 seed except for the wind forcing overtime…. I don’t think we want TOO much different. I think that most fans are disappointed becuase things were so close, after last few years’ injury-ridden performances.

On the other hand, having some variety on Offense (screens anyone?), a reliable back-up (I hope Moore is ready), better teamwork by the secondary, and a DC that can stop number 11 would be nice.

It’s time to break out that commercial where “Everyone is undefeated” and “The road to the Superbowl goes through Cleveland!”

by panthersnbraves on Jan 27, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good reality check

and I agree with it. My only problem is that we have a tougher schedule coming up next year, so I think we do need to make some improvements and the team tends to miss the playoffs the year after making the playoffs, so I want that streak to end. I am completely with you on screen passes and a little bit more offensive/defensive ingenuity. We’ll see if it happens.

I am like Little King, I am holding out my opinion until the beginning of the year on Meeks. The things I would like to see change for next year are, I would like to see the Panthers throw the ball successfully without using play action, the corners to get a little bit closer in the face of the receivers, and some semblance of a pass rush in lieu of blitzing. I still would like to see when the Panthers go 4/5 wide receivers to actually see 4/5 wide receivers on the field, but that is never going to happen, so I have given up.

by bengoodfella on Jan 27, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that irritated me with Trago is that he failed to adjust to the loss of the D-Line

I was highly excited over the hiring at first and when I wrote my article. Now I’ve calmed down a bit, but I’m still pretty optimistic.

The thing that arrivated me with Trag is that he always seemed to be content with rushing four people. That may have been sufficient when we had four monster D-linemen, but with the defensive line we have now with an unhappy Peppers is clearly not enough to provide pressure to a QB and get him to make a mistake in the passing game. If a QB is able to hang out in the pocket forever until a reciever gets open, than zone coverage makes no sense.

Now what I am worried about is counting my eggs before they’re hatched. Trago may have gone, but there are reports swarming about that John Fox likes to control the defensive game plan. If that is the truth, then will we see more of the same next year? It has always been my personal opinion that the Defensive Coordinator was the man supposed to come up with the game plan, and the Head Coach was supposed to review it, add abd edit plays as necessary as well as brainstorm with the coordinator, and then let the Coordinator call the plays out during the game and overule them as necessary. That’s just been my own basic understanding.

However, Fox is a defensive coach. If he is meddling in the game plan too much due to his own philosophy, than we might see more of the same next year. That’s my biggest and sole worry.

However, if we see more blitzes and the same kind of defense played ahead in the 4th quarter as we have been playing the whole game, then I think this hiring will have justified itself, and our record will reflect just that fact.

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jan 27, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Again, agreed

I think we will see that this will always be John Fox’s defense and the coordinator will work for him, as he should, so I don’t really expect too much of a difference. I think it has been agreed upon that sitting back and letting 4 men rush the QB when he has all the time in the world is a bad thing. That needs to be resolved or there will be no difference in the defense.

I just hate how the D seems to just sit back and let the offense dictate the game in the 4th quarter, they don’t pressure anyone into mistakes or anything.

by bengoodfella on Jan 27, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup! You're right.

I’ve never quite understood that. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of dropping back linebackers into the zone defense. The more guys back there the better. At the same time, the QB needs some kind of pressure. To continue to send four guys each and every play when you know that it’s a passing play and they aren’t going to get any pressure on him just seems like madness. Madness I say!

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Jan 27, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not a coach by any stretch

but I know you have to get pressure on the QB one way or another. If you can’t get it from the front four, then you are going to be beat. I think we may see a complete overhaul of the D Line this offseason, that is my dream, then I won’t have to worry about the team not blitzing a lot. We can use stunts and other stuff to get to the QB. I am not going to make a list of what we should do to overhaul the D Line but suffice to say it won’t include Haynesworth.

by bengoodfella on Jan 27, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the thing

I think Meeks’ system does that well, but it’ll require the Panthers adding some of his type of guys. The DL in Indy was smaller than ours, getting to the QB but not being as solid against the run.

The Panthers need to try and find a medium ground in between the 2.

by UtesFan89 on Jan 27, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pardon Me!

Douchebags!
I am very sorry, Usana.
-B

by bhwells29 on Jan 27, 2009 10:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bring out the Red Marker!

Riff-Raff!
I think you get my point.
-B

by bhwells29 on Jan 27, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

bhwells

If you must know, I am an intelligence analyst for Air Force and I’ve done this job in Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, and Korea while you were doing what exactly? Stroking yourself in front of the mirror. Whatr I don’t understand is when someone continues to try to join a group where he is not wanted. And by the way, I also am a 1st degree black belt and instructor for Kuk Sool Won, traditional Korean martial art, I have three classes left for my Master’s Degree in Health Psychology/Behavioral Medicine, I’m currently working for NATO in Naples, Italy, I play the piano, and I have a successful home-based business with USANA Health Sciences. What do you do? Anything? I will be calling you. I see you have a 910 area code. I am from Fayetteville and will be there in a few months if our phone conversation isn’t enough for you. And if you refuse to stop being bullied around, nobody cares. Apparently you’re the nerdy kid who always gets bullied around which is why you have to talk big on a blog when no one else is doing it. Every blogger has opinions, and no one has had to insult anybody over their opinions. You’re the first to do it, and it’s amazing that you actually believe your insight is better than anyone else’s insight. The fact of the matter, though, is that everything here is our opinion, and we don’t impact what happens on the field. So if you died tomorrow, nobody, not even anyone you knows in your real life, would care.

by usana_gaines on Jan 28, 2009 4:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I wake up in the morning and someone has dropped an anger bomb on this comment board.

by bengoodfella on Jan 28, 2009 8:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Usana,
Thank you for your resume, but I am not hiring. You have my number.
-B

by bhwells29 on Jan 28, 2009 8:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wells, I deleted your previous rant

only because you put your phone # in it. Here’s the Code of Conduct you agreed to when you joined this blog:

This blog is intended for a community of NFL football fans with obvious leanings to the Carolina Panthers. Please refrain from excessive profanity and hate-speak to other members. Also, lets stay on topic and avoid threads related to non-sport issues, in particular politics and religion. Anyone who cannot follow these simple rules may or may not be given a warning before being banned.

Please try to follow it.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jan 28, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog focused on the NFL's Carolina Panthers.

Site Code of Conduct

Open Thread 3pm EST 11/08 Panthers @ Saints
Start posting about the Panthers »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Andrew602_avatar_small
Ask Revenge of the Birds

Recent FanPosts

Dbc92c5112a9b23c_small
Navy vs Notre Dame
Funny-hilarious-kid-child-pics-162_small
Fullback quandry
3792654100_3c18c5287e_small
Panthers RB Analysis: Double Trouble 2008 vs. 2009
Small
John Kasay injured?
3792654100_3c18c5287e_small
Panthers Secondary and Double Trouble
Funny-hilarious-kid-child-pics-162_small
Should the Panthers run the Wildcat?
Funny-hilarious-kid-child-pics-162_small
From Realfootball365...
Small
Fire fox, cut jake, draft edwards, blah blah blah...bring on the aints.
Jake-delhomme_small
Would a 3 RB Offense work for the panthers???
Smitty_small
Chargers release WR Chris Chambers

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Latest NFL Headlines from SB Nation


Editors

N1523447507_30151367_6579_small Cyberjag

Img_0764_small LittleKing

Currentflag_small James The Aussie

Authors

Dbc92c5112a9b23c_small Revshawn

Myspace_small Ryan Basen