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Should the Panthers Fox Be Called 'Teflon' John

Brad Thomas with Scout.com has a nice post about why John Fox has not met the same fate as his two predecessors.  I’ll cut straight to the chase and come back to the history lesson. His theory is that Fox has not made any critical mistakes like those of Dom Capers and George Seifert.

The fact that many people are missing is that Fox hasn't done anything to give Richardson a reason to fire him, unlike Capers and Seifert before him.

 Let’s visit Thomas points about the two previous coaches.

 Dom Capers

 1998 was the year it went sour. Kerry Collins suffered a near nervous breakdown, which ultimately led to the team releasing its franchise QB early in the season. During the offseason, Capers gave up two first-round draft picks to sign Redskins defensive end Sean Gilbert -- a move which started the dark period of the Carolina Panthers' short existence. In the draft, Capers selected defensive end Jason Peter in the first round. Peter never realized his potential due to injury and drug dependencies. 1998 was also the year where Kevin Greene, the standout linebacker, snapped and attacked assistant coach Kevin Steele on the sidelines. Greene received a game suspension, but the tone it set and the way Capers handled it might have been THE moment when Richardson realized a change had to be made.

The panthers finished 4-12 in 1998 and the team had given up on Capers and his staff. 4-12 was the worst finish of the team's short life, and there was no sign of Capers being able to right the ship. Capers had lost the team and made tremendous blunders as a GM, and owner Jerry Richardson had to do something to set progress in motion

 I will never blame Capers for Kerry Collins immaturity but certainly the Sean Gilbert trade was and still is the worst move in franchise history. Capers did have it coming. By the way, I will have to put up a post soon on my wife’s Kerry Collins rant, she hates the guy

 George Seifert

 Seifert, however, was not an astute general manager and made several poor decisions. The decision to bring in a broken-down Chuck Smith under a high-dollar contract put the Panthers behind the 8-ball financially. Seifert also presided over some of the worst drafts in Carolina Panthers history. Seifert went 8-8 in his first season with the Panthers and 7-9 in his second, however, it would be perhaps the worst decision in Carolina Panthers football history that would send him to the unemployment line in 2001 and ultimately change his legacy from that as a sure-fire hall of famer to that of an inept and aloof head coach. Despite Steve Beuerlein being the team's leader in the locker room and on the field, and his coming off a year in which he threw for 3,730 yards, 19 TDs and 18 interceptions, Seifert decided to cut Beuerlein outright and put all his faith in his unproven understudy Jeff Lewis in 2001. Lewis didn't make it out of preseason due to his lack of knowledge of the playbook and his horrible decision making ability on the field. Seifert then turned to fourth-round pick Chris Weinke, who led the team to a 1-15 season -- the worst in the franchise's history.

 These are good points but didn’t Seifert also oversee the Panthers best draft ever in 2001? Of course 1-15 will get anyone fired.

 John Fox

 Thomas supposes that Fox came to Carolina with great street cred:

 Fox was recommended by Giants co-owner Wellington Mara -- one of the most influential icons in the history of the National Football League. People must keep in mind the mindset and professional outlook of Jerry Richardson. This is a guy who wants to model his team after the Pittsburgh Steers; a team that doesn't change head coaches every 3 years, and a team that is known for its toughness.

In John Fox, Richardson knows what he has: a great manager and motivator and a relatively low-maintenance tactician that never gives too much away.

 Surely good points but I don’t think John Fox is without his mistakes, they just don’t seem to be sticking to him, hence the ‘teflon’ moniker I’ve assigned in the title of this post.

 Fox and Hurney obviously missed most recently with signing David Carr. No need to argue that point I’m sure. I also think they cut Keyshawn Johnson a season too early. I’m sure some will argue he was a negative locker room influence but I thought he had mellowed some with age. He was already gearing up for his after-life as an announcer. I think we could have used him last season but I understand a lot of Panther fans despised him. One last point is I think the Panthers let some key free agents walk that the Panthers never adequately replaced until now: Will Witherspoon, Deon Grant and Moose (who’s now back).

 Maybe these are not as serious infractions as the ones made by Capers and Seifert. I’ll agree with that but I also don’t think Fox is above making those kinds of mistakes. If Jeff Otah should somehow end up a bust (I’m not predicting that) I bet that would do. Also, if the Panther remain injury free but miss the playoffs, lets say win only 6 games, that would probably do it. My point is that maybe Fox will never make a huge mistake like those of his predecessors but even little mistakes can add up. This is the NFL and even I guy with the resume of a George Seifert (prior to coming to Carolina) can quickly find himself out of the league.  The pressure to win is only getting stronger and once again expectations are high in Carolina.

 Ok, I promise more positive topics in the next few weeks.

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Witherspoon

Another point that may be saving Fox’s job is injuries. Im sure Richardson has looked at the recent injury bug we have been hit with and takes that into account of our bad record. I know they won’t say it because no one likes making excuses but you can’t overlook the injuries. not too many coaches can get over having to use your fourth quarterback of the year. that alone sets your team back. the only team that i know of recently that made it anywhere in the playoffs without a good quarterback is the bears and grossman. Yah you can say the patriots with brady but how many times does a no namer come in during the season or in this case the playoffs and become an all star player. In my opinion i think injuries, John fox’s old records when he first join the team and his coaching ability has so far surpassed the recent blunders of the team and have at least for now and hopefully for awhile preserved his job

by JStew28 on Jun 13, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure injuries is part of it

His past success, his coaching style and the key injuries are why he is still in favor with JR. How long could it last? One more season? Maybe more. Hopefully the Panthers will return to the playoffs this year and put all this talk to bed

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jun 13, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

coach

just a hypothtetical question for anyone. if Fox was fired who would you like too see become the new head coach

by JStew28 on Jun 13, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Bill Cowher has NC ties and no coaching job at the moment

so his name is the first to come to mind if the Panthers underpreform this year not due to injuries or a coaching change is made.

by A'sfaninNC on Jun 20, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also: We don't suck.

One key difference between Capers/Seifert and Fox is that we haven’t sucked under Fox. Yes, people expect great things from the team, but Fox has never led this team to a terrible season. We haven’t had 1-15 or 4-12 seasons under him. 7-9 is the worst we’ve seen, and that’s tended to be the result of those injuries folks have been talking about.

Sure, Fox and Hurney have made some mistakes, but when the biggest personnel mistakes you can point to are choosing to keep one defensive playmaker over another, or replacing a terrible backup quarterback with a former starter, or a couple 2nd or 3rd round draft choices that didn’t pan out, then you’re not talking about large-scale institutional failures that require a full regime change.

By the by, I’ve done a little research and I’m going to do up a fanpost about the Otah trade, but I’ll give you the headline: We did not overpay for Otah. So, even if the guy pulled a Winston Justice, that would be the biggest black mark by far on Fox’s resume, but not nearly enough to oust him.

I feel like people who have negative feelings about Fox have forgotten how bad those last “regime change” teams were. The team completely quit on Dom Capers in 98, and the season was miserable from front to back. The team imploded, complete melt-down. But Capers is a likable, capable guy who hasn’t wanted for work in the league.

Compare and contrast to George Seifert. Lest we forget how miserably bad Seifert’s decision to cut Beuerlein was, Beuerlein led a mediocre team into competition for playoff spots the first two years, and actually decided to have an optional surgery on his elbow that offseason because he felt he didn’t have to worry about his job. So not only was it a poor personnel decision on Seifert’s part, but it was a total jerk move that screwed over a great guy. And Seifert has in no way demonstrated the ability to work outside of Bill Walsh’s world, and he didn’t make friends around the league to keep working.

But I ramble… Fox is a very good coach, and the reasons he doesn’t have the same sense of failure around him that the other coaches have is that he hasn’t failed.

by r3 on Jun 13, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

True, true

In spite of the disappointments the past two seasons the worst has been 7-9. Also, the Panthers have typically remained competitive except for a few games (the Colts comes to mind).

I anxiously await the Otah trade analysis.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Jun 13, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

good info from r3

r3 makes some very good points. The bad thing about our guys has been that when we fall behind, some of our guys make bad mistakes trying to do too much. Foster was one of those guys, and as much as I’m glad to see him no longer shouldering the load in Carolina, I loved that guy. His highlight reel includes TDs in the NFC Championship game and Superbowl.

Last year I wanted Fox fired, but because of blogs like this, I was learning that many things weren’t Fox’s fault. If the third QB holds the ball too long, what can he do? If you look at the great coaches in history, they’ve all had consecutive losing seasons at some point, including Bill Cowher, Chuck Noll, Joe Gibbs, Tom Landry and Don Shula. We went 8-8 when three key plays cost us dearly, the Jake interceptions and the Gamble punt return-pass-fumble. Of course, who would “blame” Fox if none of that happened and we went 11-5? And the truth is that Fox is respected as one of the best coaches in the league. Every year we have a solid defense. No other coach would have made the playoffs with four QBs, and none of them throwing for 1000 yards. Speaking of 1000 yards, I think Smitty had his second best season as a pro. 87 receptions and over 1,000 yards with four different QBs. That’s incredible. He had more receiving yards than any QB had passing. I hated on Fox last year for a while, but now I’m sold. Finishing 7-9 was an outstanding coaching accomplishment with that team, and this year will be better.

by usana_gaines on Jun 16, 2008 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Witherspoon vs Morgan

When Witherspoon was let go and the Panthers resigned Morgan I was like most in that i was happy that we kept Dan but upset that we let Will go. In hind sight it would have been better to reverse the signing and keep Witherspoon but we had just drafted Thomas Davis who was going to take Witherspoons spot, it just took a little longer to get him there, but then Morgan broke down. But at the time Morgan was a beast and was going to shake the injury bug that was following him around. So I dont think that the lose of Witherspoon was that bad of a thing for Fox at the time as it seems now.

by A'sfaninNC on Jun 20, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

more injuries

Let’s not forget that the season we went 8-8 included two missed games by Steve Smith and three missed games for Jake Delhomme. We only played 14 of the last 32 games with both of them healthy for the duration of a game, and we still went 15-17. How many games would the Patriots have won with the same scenario?

by usana_gaines on Jun 20, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

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