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Panthers 2001 Draft: Who Gets the Credit?

 

I’m not sure how I missed this post back before the draft but it took me by surprise. I was surprised to see the Panthers ranked so low  in draft success yet I really couldn’t argue with it too much.

25. Carolina Panthers

Current roster: 21 of 40 (9 starters). The Panthers haven't drafted a Pro Bowl player since defensive end Julius Peppers in 2002, but linebacker Jon Beason (2007/first) showed that kind of potential as a rookie.

Best pick: Whether at left or right tackle, Jordan Gross (2003/first) hasn't missed a game in five NFL seasons.

Biggest mistake: Running back Eric Shelton (2005/second) couldn't garner playing time on a team lacking a big-bodied rusher. He had just eight carries in two years before being released. Shelton spent 2007 out of football but is now with Washington.

Front office: Panthers general manager Marty Hurney has missed on too many second- to fourth-round selections. Four of them taken in 2005 and 2006 (Shelton, defensive tackle Atiyyah Ellison, quarterback Stefan LeFors and tackle Rashad Butler) are no longer with the Panthers. Wide receiver Dwayne Jarrett (2007/second) could be headed for that same fate.

Comment: Hurney has done an excellent job identifying defensive players like Beason, linebacker Thomas Davis, and cornerbacks Richard Marshall and Chris Gamble. The Panthers must find more offensive help in this draft, including a power running back and quarterback to groom behind Jake Delhomme.

If you had asked me prior to seeing the ranking I would have guessed the Panthers were around 15th not 25th. I suspect I’ve been giving Hurney a bit of a pass these last couple years. What stands out to me is the lack of Pro Bowl players. He hasn’t hit one since his first pick Julius Peppers. Jordan has a good chance if he plays well this year. Richard Marshall and Chris Harris are other possibilities as is Jon Beason if he moves weak-side.  

For the longest time I was in my mind giving credit to Marty Hurney for the Panthers fantastic 2001 draft (3 Pro Bowlers first three picks).

So I was wondering who does get credit for that great draft?

I scanned the Panthers chronicles and can only offer the following guesses:

  • George Siefert -  He was Head Coach at the time and is the only Panther official I saw quoted in all the articles I could find written at the time of the draft.
  • Jerry Richardson – He hasn’t been known to get too involved in the draft process
  • Mark Richardson – He was still too inexperienced at the time to have had too much control
  • Marty Hurney – He was Director of Football Operations at the time but may have a behind the scenes influence considering he was later promoted to GM.

Bill Polian was long gone and Mike McCormack had already retired so they are not considerations. It seems I've heard that Hurney was not involved but that just seems unliekly to me. I don’t think the Panthers had a GM between the reins of Bill Polian and Marty Hurney, a span of about five years.

 Does anyone else have a better recollection of the brains behind the Panthers 2001 draft?

Poll
Who is most responsible for the Panthers 2001 Draft success (Morgan, Jenkins, Smith)?
George Siefert
12 votes
Jerry Richardson
1 votes
Mark Richardson
0 votes
Marty Hurney
9 votes
Sean Gilbert
2 votes
None of the Above
3 votes

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Maybe the scouts?

Here’s the thing about how the draft works: It’s a collaborative process, and no one person is the cause of success nor the source of all blame. Also, let’s not get too worked up about the 2001 draft class; it wasn’t as special as it may feel.

The scouts all do their job and produce more reports than anyone knows what to do with, then they bring back names and evaluations for players they think could do well on the team. The director of college scouting compiles that information, and gets together with the GM (and, ostensibly, the head coach) to discuss specific players and the direction in which the team is going.

They assemble a draft board, and everyone has a say in which players are placed into which hierarchical group. When the team’s turn to draft comes around, they choose from the players remaining in the highest group, and the choice is the end result of a long, collaborative process.

Of course, the GM hires and fires the scouts and the coaches, so it does ultimately fall on his shoulders.

Funny thing, though, about that 2001 draft. Tony Softli had been hired as the director of college scouting the year before (presumably by GM Siefert), and Softli, Siefert and Hurney assembled that draft class. So if any single person could be credited with that draft, I’d put that on the scouting director. Then again, Softli also had a lot to do with assembling that stinker class of 2005, and he was on his way to St. Louis after that next draft (so we can thank him for Eric Shelton as well as back-to-back 3rd rounders Atiyyah Ellison ‘05 and Rashad Butler ‘06).

The new director of college scouting, Don Gregory, has only had two drafts, but they both share the same qualities of strong players in the first round (I’m optimistic, I know), getting great value in the second and third rounds, and decent developmental guys in the later rounds.

But keep in mind, and this is the important thing, 2001 was a great year for the positions we drafted. (That’s not entirely true; we got the only good linebacker in that draft).

Look at the Pro Bowl DTs taken before The Big Brown Machine. Richard Seymour, Damione Lewis (not really), Marcus Stroud, Casey Hampton. The next DT taken after KJ? Shaun Rogers. That’s five Pro Bowl DTs in the first two rounds.

Look at the Pro Bowl WRs taken before #89. Koren Robinson, Santana Moss, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Chris Chambers. That’s five Pro Bowl WRs taken in the first two rounds, and then Smitty went in the third round.

Also, any discussion of the greatness of the 2001 draft should include the waste of a pick on Chris Wienke in round 4, and the complete misses in round 7 (Center Louis Williams? Who? Tight end Mike Roberg? Huh? What?). The draft is not just about what you do on the first day, it’s about the second day, too, and while I’d consider Jarrod Cooper and Dee Brown decent role players, let’s not forget that T.J. Houshmandzadeh was still out there and wasn’t drafted until round 7.

by r3 on May 9, 2008 2:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So Softli was the other guy

I figured there had to be another person involved. Nice analysis r3, you never disappoint. In NFL lore maybe the Panthers 2001 draft wasn’t special but for the Panthers it was #1. Of course this years draft class could end up being better.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 9, 2008 8:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Draft Classes

Yeah, the director of college scouting is always the guy who’s overlooked when talking about draft classes, as the director of pro scouting is always overlooked when talking about free agent acquisitions. But it seems that St. Louis thought about as much of Softli, who’d moved there in 2006 as their VP of player personnel, as we did in 2006; that is it say, he was fired in January.

Still, the important part of rating draft classes is to rate how well your team did with the talent available in the draft. So rating 2001 as “the Panthers’ best draft EVAAAR!” isn’t wrong in as much as it was the best single influx of talent the organization has ever had, but it was on par with other teams’ 2001 draft classes.

Flipping the coin, the 2005 draft was terrible from top to bottom. There were only two or three teams in the league who had good draft classes without high profile busts that year, and we weren’t one of them. So, judging by the level of talent the team gained that year, it seems like a bad draft for us. But, given the high failure rate of that year’s players, I’d say we had an average draft.

Judging draft classes, you can’t focus solely on the success of the top player, although a failure there can color the entire class. If you hit on the top player, as Cleveland did in ‘05 with Braylon Edwards, but you aren’t able to add any significant players after that (and getting Josh Cribbs as an UFA doesn’t count, in my book), then you didn’t have a good draft. Granted, their second round pick, Brodney Pool, broke into the starting lineup last year, but that’s two years late for a #2.

That year, I count San Diego (Merriman, Luis Castillo, Vincent Jackson and Darren Sproles) as having the best draft, hands down. Then I’d put Dallas (Ware, Marcus Spears, Marion Barber) in the second tier along with New England (Logan Mankins, Ellis Hobbs, Nick Kaczur, Matt Cassel) and maybe Tampa Bay (Cadillac, Barrett Rudd, Alex Smith, Chris Colmer).

Other than those four teams (and I am being generous with TB), every team had roughly an 80% failure rate, which is about what we had. So, despite the fact that it FEELS like we had a bad draft, we really had an average draft given the talent level available that year.

But I admit, sometimes it’s hard to keep that broader view in mind when you see Eric Shelton, Atiyyah Ellison and Stefan LeFors as three of your top five picks.

by r3 on May 9, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more to it than that

First of all, that piece by r3 was awesome. Thanks for that. I want to add to that, though, that the quality of draft classes never seems to have anything to do with coaches. Do you honestly think that Eric Shelton was just garbage, or was it that the coaching wasn’t there. I think the scouting report for Eric Shelton was much better than Ahmad Bradshaw’s last year, but Coughlin coached that kid up to produce in the playoffs. I felt our training staff didn’t have guys prepared to play. Biakabutuka, Foster, D-Will, Eric Shelton and others missed some or all of their rookie seasons due to injuries in training camp. Stephen Davis and Lamar Smith didn’t last too long, either. I think our drafts have been a lot better than we get credit for, but the coaches have failed to coach/teach these guys to get them to the next level. Dick Vermeil would’ve got 2000+ combined yards and 15 TDs from D-Will every year if he had him, just like he did with Priest Holmes and Marshall Faulk.

The success of the draft doesn’t end with the draft, but trainers have to keep them healthy, coaches have to coach and teach, and veterans need to provide that leadership.

Every now and then you get a guy who will succeed regardless of all that, and I think Beason, Richard Marshall, and Connor may be those kinds of guys.

I think we finally have a complete staff that works together to get things done. However, I do remember when Pep was talking about trying to find ways to figure out how to get to the QB better. I thought maybe the defensive coordinator should’ve taken some heat over the lack of sacks overall for our defense, and not just Pep. The OC needs to take the heat for Foster getting so many carries, and not fixing Foster’s fumbling problems like Coughlin fixed Tiki’s.

Either way, we’ve got it all in place now. We have possibly the best LB corps in the league. Seriously, name a better a group if you can. You might come up with a couple, but not much more than that. Our DBs are a strength, and the D-Line is better as well with a better Pep, Johnson and McGlover fighting Drayton for the other DE spot, and a host of new DTs. I also believe that all the other strengths of this team will benefit the DL as well. We are not the strongest team at every position, but seriously, we have no weaknesses. This is our year.

by usana_gaines on May 9, 2008 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ran too much vanilla defense last year

Trying to protect the secondary. Relied too much on the front four to get pressure and they didn’t get it done. With these LB’s I don’t see why we shouldn’t blitz them more.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on May 9, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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