Should the Panthers Draft QB Matt Ryan?
I recently saw a mock draft here that shows QB Matt Ryan falling to the Panthers at #13.
I usually ignore mocks showing the Panthers grabbing a QB but they never involve Ryan. I don’t think the Panthers need to draft a QB, provided Jake Delhomme returns to form. Here’s the latest on Jake's rehab which is going ahead of schedule.
Yet I find myself intrigued by the possibility of getting Ryan. I’ve been watching college football for 25 years and I’ve never seen a QB dissect a defense like he did against Georgia Tech this past season. Yes, it was one game but he made all tough throws and they were on the money. I was thoroughly impressed and in spite of the talk of him falling I think he’s a pro level QB. I don’t mind going on record for that one.
What if Ryan is available at #13, an absurd notion considering the number of teams drafting ahead of the Panthers who need a QB? If both Derrick Harvey and Ryan Clady are gone, as suggested in this mock draft, it may be too much for the Panthers to pass on. They could still get an OT in the second round, though VT’s Duane Brown is a stretch, as suggested in this mock.
So I’m curious what everyone else thinks about the prospect of nabbing QB Matt Ryan. If the opportunity is there should the Panthers pull the trigger?
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Ugh. A QB draft choice.
There are a couple of notable exceptions, but most quarterbacks drafted, first round or not, are complete wastes of the draft pick. I think, if you're completely convinced that the guy is going to be a world-beater, you take him. But not if you've got questions about even a single part of his game. And I've got questions about Matt Ryan's game.
I don't know, the failure rate of quaterbacks is just so much higher than that of other positions, I think you put that draft choice into a more secure position.
You know I love some research, so here's some of what I see:
2000, 12 QBs drafted, 3 had game... or rather, have not completely washed-out: Chad Pennington (1st), Mark Bulger (6th), Tom Brady (6th)
2001, 11 QBs drafted, 2 had game: Michael Vick (1st), Drew Brees (2nd)
2002, 15 QBs drafted, 1 had game: David Garrard (4th).
2003, 13 QBs drafted, 1 had game: Carson Palmer (1st).
2004, 17 QBs drafted, only the big 3 have gotten it done: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and Ben Roethisberger.
I'd say it's too soon to pass judgement on more recent draft classes. But man, that 2002 class (Carr, Harrington, Randy Fasani) was pretty pathetic. I had to be generous to classify Garrard as a success after only one good year.
If you're going to limit it to first-rounders, then the rate goes from an abysmal 85% (58 of 68) failure rate down to 54% (7 of 13) failure.
That led me to compare QB to the Pro Bowl rate of all first-round picks during that same time. I know, Pro Bowl versus 'acknowledged failure' is really apples and oranges, as 'success' and 'failure' are the outer edges of a continuum, but let's see where it leads us.
So, 59 of the 158 total first round picks from 00-04 made the Pro Bowl, making for a 37% success rate. Focusing on the top picks, 37 of the 75 top-15 picks made the Pro Bowl, basically a 50% success rate.
Hmm.
The end result, as much as I like to toss around numbers and stats, to quantify that which can be quantified, is predictable enough: it comes down to the player. Success rates for quarterbacks in the first round are roundabout the same as everyone else (which I didn't expect), so it comes to looking at the player.
I did see a couple of Matt Ryan games this past year and I was impressed by his abilities, but I question his decision-making ability and his ability to out-think pro defenders. But ultimately, I think we've got to draft at another position.
by r3 on Apr 7, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't do it
I voted 'No'. Fox cannot screw up this pick up. The Panthers have too many needs not to pick someone who can get on the field quickly.
Nice analysis. I think looking at 1st rd QB's is more relevant though I think the result is the same. It's a coin flip. The Panthers on the other hand have done well with their 1st round picks lately. There's a lot of talent at the top of this draft as positions of need. I'm pretty confident they will make a good pick.
by Jaxon on Apr 7, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the coaching
I think the most overlooked aspect of drafting a QB is the coaches' abilities to develop the pick. Do you honestly beleive Tony Romo would be any good if he started as a rookie, or if Bobby Petrino was his coach as a rookie instead of Bill Parcells. Fox has shown the ability to get a little more out of QBs. Delhomme wasn't drafted, Moore was drafted, and the two guys who are gone, Vinny and Carr, were both first overall picks in their drafts. Carr would've been a great QB if he started in Carolina. There are only a handful of QBs who I think had the tools to be successful no matter who drafted them: Young, Kelly, Montana, Elway, Marino, Favre, P. Manning, Brady, Palmer, Moon and Vick. We saw what Vick did with his talent. We saw how long it took Steve Young to get started. Other guys were in the right place at the right time.
Therefore, Moore will deevelop just fine as a solid #2 and will be our starter in three years. Drafting Ryan in the first rd to be Moore's back-up four years from now is idiotic.
by usana_gaines on Apr 8, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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