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Three Things We know About the Panthers Draft Strategy

As much as we love to speculate on who the Panthers will select in the coming draft we really can only guess at a number of possibilities. So I find myself taking a step back and asking what do I really know about how the draft team of GM Marty Hurney and HC John Fox operates.

1st Thing We Know: Never Reach for a Prospect Based on Need

You need look no further back than the 2007 draft see that the Panthers do not reach based on need. Most people agreed the Panthers desperately needed a safety in last seasons draft and emerged with only a 7th round selection.

"A year ago, safety was a need and we weren't able to address the safety position," coach John Fox said. "It wasn't that we weren't trying to. It just didn't fall that way."

Hurney explains the philosophy:

"If there are two players there and one is at a position that you have a lot of depth in and another is at a position you don't have a lot of depth in, then obviously you would opt for the one that you didn't have a lot of depth in," general manager Marty Hurney said Monday. "But again, only if those players are close in that same group. You don't blatantly reach and go down to fill a need."

I can agree with this philosophy to a degree. What if we had drafted Steve Smith in the 1st round? Sure, our GM at the time would have been flamed by every pundit in North America but in the end who would have been right? Steve Smith was obviously well worth a 1st round pick so getting him the 3rd was a bargain.

In the end we are looking for starters regardless of where they get picked. I worry about this philosophy for two reasons: (1) it can cause the Panthers to pass on a player of need because their draft board mistakenly shows the player being available later and (2) it doesn't seem to support trading up to get a player of value and need. If you look at Marty Hurney's draft history he has only traded up twice, going up three spots to get CB Chris Gamble and trading two 4th rounders for a 3rd to get DT Atiyyah Ellison.  Otherwise the Panthers typically trade down.


2nd Thing We know: They really want a big back.

Don’t confuse ‘big’ with ‘size’. The Panthers are looking for more than good measurables:

"We use the phrase a lot of `playing big, running big,' " said general manager Marty Hurney. "There are a lot of guys who are 200 pounds (or) 205 pounds who run like 220-pound backs. (And) you can reverse that. Just because a guy has good size doesn't make him your `big back.'
"When you say `big back,' it's more of a running style."

The only question is whether they go early or mid-round to get one. In today’s NFL teams feel the need to field two quality RB’s that complement one another. The Panthers certainly have the fast, elusive RB in DeAngelo Williams but they lack the big, bruising RB to get the short yardage throw the tackles.

3rd Thing We Know: The Panthers Don’t Draft QB’s Early

Hopefully Matt Ryan will be long gone by #13 and spare us the drama of whether the Panthers will pick him. Hurney has drafted two QB’s, Randy Fasani in the 4th round (2002) and Stephan LeFlors in the 5TH (2005). We know how that went.

I'm not saying they won't pick a QB and try to groom him but in the end they prefer to draft a guy who has already spent a couple seasons learning on some else's dime (like they did with Jake Delhomme).

Charles Chandler thinks the Panthers will look hard at this guy:

Look for the Panthers to choose a quarterback. San Diego's Josh Johnson is an intriguing prospect projected to go during the middle rounds. He played in the Pioneer League.

Johnson's statistics last year are hard to fathom for any level -- 43 touchdowns and one interception. He threw for 428 yards and six scores, with 102 yards rushing, in a 52-49 win against Davidson. For his career, he had a 30-4 record, passing for 9,699 yards, 113 touchdowns and 15 interceptions.

Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden said of Johnson: "He's going to play in this league. I'm convinced of that."

When John Fox says he is happy with his QB’s as is I don’t think its smoke. I’m not expecting the Panthers to take a QB but if they do I think it will be 4th or 5th round. Just for the record I hope its Tennessee QB Eric Ainge.

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I agree that we should go for the best player available instead of drafting for needs, but you can't completely disregard your needs.  When you don't draft based on need, you still have to address those needs.  We go in with Chris Harris and Terrence Holt starting at safety.  That's good enough if we run the ball better, convert more first downs, get more sacks, and keep Richard Marshall on the field.  In other words, safety is still a weakness, but not nearly as bad as draft day last year.  

I'm just hoping that whoever we draft gets on the field and produces a lot faster.  Jarrett and Rosario took too long to get on the field, but Beason and Kalil got in the game, obviously, early and often.  If you take any two positions on the field, and we can insert two starters from this draft, then we had a good draft.  Remember, also, that Beason missed a lot of training camp and didn't start the season as a MLB, so he'll be even better this year.  

I'm pretty high on Josh Johnson as well.  Many people say his competition was low, but what defense was anybody beating at the combine?  I'd be glad with Erik Ainge in the later rounds, but I'm hoping for Johnson.  The best a new QB is gonna do this year, though, is one up Basanez.  Moore is the real deal.  I wouldn't mind if the Falcons cut DJ Shockley, though, and we sign him.

by usana_gaines on Apr 22, 2008 8:42 AM EDT   0 recs

Safety

c1, you are correct, safety is still a general weakness. But, since I think Holt can start and play well enough this year, I don't think we need to get an immediate starter from this year's draft. Holt's a smart player that doesn't get out of position too often, but when he does he doesn't have the elite skills to compensate for that.

That said, here's an idea that's been kicking around in my head for a little while, so I figured I'd toss it out there. How about Brandon Flowers? He figures to fall possibly into the second round because of his lack of elite speed, but he's amazingly physical and a great tackler. I'd like to see us get him (even if we had to move up a half-dozen spots or more in the second) and convert him to safety. He wouldn't have to start this year, but when he did ... woo boy. Really, I feel like if he'd come out as a safety this year, he'd be a top-20 pick instead of falling behind the burners at the corner position.

by r3 on Apr 22, 2008 1:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If there is one position...

we can get a late round gem in this draft its safety. There should be a number of quality guys in the 4th-5th round who could eventually start in the NFL.

I took another look at last years draft and examined the safety position. Five safetys were drafted in 1st-2nd round but then zero were selected until the 5th. When Fox says last years draft didn't work out as far as getting a safety I can slightly understand. Eric Weddle(the 5th one picked) was gone when we picked Jarrett. In hindsight though we know that Aaron Rouse or Tanard Jackson would have been good picks in the 4th.

by Jaxon on Apr 23, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Shockley?

I was ok with your response until the Shockley part..but of course I'm a little biased when it comes to UGA kids :)  (except for John Kasay and Charles Johnson)

Shockley is not as good as Quincy Carter and we know how things went with Carter.

by Jaxon on Apr 23, 2008 12:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's okay

I like Shockley and he has an 85 for speed on Madden 08.  Carter's issues were all based on personality conflicts (NFL or Marijuana, hard choice).  Either way, I think there are few QBs that will beat out Matt Moore for the #2, even if we draft one.  I'm firmly entrenched in my idea that Moore will be our full time starter in a few years when Jake retires.

by usana_gaines on Apr 23, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

making moves

We've made some really good moves, but I think we need to step it up.  Why didn't we have an offer to get Jared Allen from the Chiefs?  We'll see how good he is when we play the Vikes in a few months.  The Vikes gave up three picks to get him, including their 1st rd pick.  I would not have given up our 1st rd offesnive tackle to get him, but it would have been nice.  Anquan Boldin wants to be traded and I think we should find a way to get him.  I would offer a couple picks and DJ Hackett.  I'd even throw in a Ryne Robinson and use that move as an excuse to draft that RB who can return kicks (I forget his name; I think it was Chris Johnson) and who ran a 4.29 40.    

I would love to get Chad Johnson, but his attitude and the Bengals response is too ugly for what we have going on.

Julius Peppers is definitely the new leader of the DL now that Jenkins and Rucker are gone.  If we don't draft a pass rusher in the 1st two rds, Johnson will be starting.

I think the staff knows that Charles Johnson can be the real deal, and they'll be looking for him to step and get play as well as Rucker did before his injury.  

Last year, with 3 sacks, Rucker led the team.

by usana_gaines on Apr 23, 2008 10:18 AM EDT   0 recs

I think Beason will emerge as the leader

Julius doesn't seem to have the leadership skills that are needed. He is quiet and leads by example. I think Beason will step up as the natural leader similar to the role he grew into in Miami. If not Beason then Chris Harris.

Lets pray JR doesn't call out Pep again to be the leader. It back-fired.

by Jaxon on Apr 23, 2008 12:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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